if i was selling past performances

[HPFridays]

The only reason I can figure DRF charges so much for issues is the delivery and maybe special size paper charges. To alleviate that I'd have a kiosk or the program stand carry download ports for those that prefer them on phone or tablet or a regular printed version on 8" x 11" paper. No need to charge more than $1 for the download and maybe $2 for the printed version. The Xpressbet booths at many tracks should be offering this.

[devilsbag]

Perhaps I'm the only OCD member of the crowd and/or this is off topic, but the thing that the DRF always had going for it was it's clean look, and that people had grown used to it over many years.

On the flip side, BRIS always looked cluttered and you could find overlapping text, etc. Track programs suffered from a similar problem.

I haven't look at a DRF in a long time, and just once since the resizing. However, looking at the link to the free edition, it's unbelievable to see trouble lines not right justified, font size differences between pages, and other crap that I couldn't imagine seeing in the DRF its heyday.

The problem back then would be a Connecticut Teletrack ad sandwiched in the middle of the Marlboro Cup PPs, but with today's technology the PPs should look perfect, not like the classified ads in the local Pennysaver.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The DRF also does not give volume discounts, which is a big plus for many products.

Then you say after I point out not true

Originally Posted by Clocker

I haven't looked at DRF in years.

This is just a great example of what is wrong with info on the net. I'm not bashing you at all on this, Clocker, so please don't take this personally, because it isn't just you. Our so called turf press is just as guilty of this. Just make some blanket statement without any basis. Others repeat it on and on and on and you end up with everybody saying the same thing over and over with no more basis than some other guy said it before me. Just look at the close Aqueduct threads. That same story with that same lack of logic has been repeated and repeated the last couple months and none of them has any recognition of how it fits into the overall racing year or the very real repercussions involved.

As to this example, you can get good volume discounts with DRF, especially if you are a big volume player. If not, you can still get a 100% discount if you play through their ADW. It takes about 2 seconds on the DRF website to figure this out. If it's not for you, that's cool. I prefer it myself but know full well not everyone does or even should. But it's a long way from I prefer something else to they don't do this or that.

[letswastemoney]

DRF has no reason to charge less. They're still #1 in PP sales.

[Robert Fischer]

I'd convince racing to pay me the same profit w/ performance bonuses for sending my past performances out for FREE through the internet and even mail to certain customers as part of a mass media effort


OR

I'd offer certain elite exclusive clients past performances with actual insight on each runner in each race that they contracted with me.
Basically, being the guy who does form and replays for the syndicate.

[joeslovo]

I think the DRF is value for money.
There was a brief lived rival years ago.
It had a somewhat European format;but it eventually folded.

[Stoleitbreezing]

I bought one recently for $9.50. It had good material, but for that price I'd like to see more detailed comments for each runner for every track that was listed. I'm also not keen on spending 10 bucks on programs.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by joeslovo

I think the DRF is value for money.
There was a brief lived rival years ago.
It had a somewhat European format;but it eventually folded.

What value? All three major PP companies (DRF, BRIS and TimeformUS) use the same exact Equibase data for the running lines.

DRF lacks pace figures in their normal PPs

BRIS is free in most cases, and offers pace and class ratings, and however accurate or inaccurate they are...free is free.

The major difference between the three is their formula for the final speed figure, but I don't see how DRF could be a value.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Tom

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/10202

New Digital DRF starts Saturday, FREE issue for Friday - the has Saturday's Pic 4 PPs, including the FOY.

It is basically the print edition in a PDF.....3-4 tracks for $6 as opposed to 7-8 tracks for $9.

But you can't write on it.

Is it not printable?

[joeslovo]

Well,I'm used to buying the DRF and maybe downloading TRD onto my tablet or phone.That's enough for me to carry around,Maybe I'm just too used to the DRF over the years;but it suits me over all that the other stuff.
Old habits die hard.When I say value;I mean that it is value for me.
I'm no Big Time Charlie with money to burn but the cost is OK for me too.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by joeslovo

I think the DRF is value for money.
There was a brief lived rival years ago.
It had a somewhat European format;but it eventually folded.

You are probably referring to the one that published fractions in the metric form, hundreds. If so, Steve Crist left his writing about racing with NYTimes to become publisher. The backer, whose name i cannot fully remember was Robert? and he committed suicide after suffering financial disaster with other ventures.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

You are probably referring to the one that published fractions in the metric form, hundreds. If so, Steve Crist left his writing about racing with NYTimes to become publisher. The backer, whose name i cannot fully remember was Robert? and he committed suicide after suffering financial disaster with other ventures.

Right. It was the Racing Times and Crist was the publisher. It was funded by a British publishing company headed by Robert Maxwell.

I believe the Racing Times was the original publisher of Beyer figures. It only lasted for about a year or so.

[joeslovo]

Racing Times it was.
It reminded me of the old Sporting Life;what with the big folding pages and form notes.Probably early 80's?
Of course back then we could not even get Southern Ca racing via satellite up here in Northern Ca.
Horses coming up from Southern Ca to Bay Meadows;were a nice angle for a while.Now we are inundated with information and angles.Info overload.
Anyway it is all recreational for me these days.Gone are the days when I would consider taking a flyer on the ponies.
I had a go at making my own variants in those days also.Read all the Quinn and Quirin books;and Beyer;and early pace projections.
Now it's back to porridge for me.
The DRF and the app "Wager Gauger" (as my wife likes the 10 cent supers at GP) are my only WMD's.
I like to examine the breeding when it comes to the turf and bet to have fun and enjoy the day.
Those few hours at the track with my wife are some of the most enjoyable times.A few hours of unconcern about the troubles of the world;just the two of us and the enigma that is racing.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Is it not printable?

Yes, I printed the races out.
And wrote all over them.

One would think an electronic copy would be bit cheaper than a printed one,
but one would be wrong.

[Fingal]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Right. It was the Racing Times and Crist was the publisher. It was funded by a British publishing company headed by Robert Maxwell.

I believe the Racing Times was the original publisher of Beyer figures. It only lasted for about a year or so.

I may have one in a pile with some old forms. If I remember the layout was more spread out & the type face wasn't as clumpy as the DRF which was nice. There also used to be one called figs form, but that only lasted a short time as it was one of those almost clandestine publications that had very few distribution outlets. Back then no one wanted to take on the DRF monopoly, they would all fold or get bought out by the Racing Form if they had something of interest they could integrate.