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Old 02-13-2016, 02:15 PM   #1
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Having trouble making profitable bets?

I have been handicapping horses for well over a year now and I seem to be missing something. I put 100 dollars a month into betting. I always bet with a past performances, I buy it a day in advance and really get into handicapping and look for things also before post time. I bet 10cent superfecta's usually 5 horse box bet, also bet quinellas, and show bets. At the end this really does not seem to be paying off if I'm lucky I brake even. What am I doing wrong? What do I need to put better bets together? What are my best bets to see improvement?
I do hope to make a bit of a living of this/ salary!! Any books a newbie like me should read?

Thanks for any and all help!!
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:28 PM   #2
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I have been handicapping horses for well over a year now and I seem to be missing something. I put 100 dollars a month into betting. I always bet with a past performances, I buy it a day in advance and really get into handicapping and look for things also before post time. I bet 10cent superfecta's usually 5 horse box bet, also bet quinellas, and show bets. At the end this really does not seem to be paying off if I'm lucky I brake even. What am I doing wrong? What do I need to put better bets together? What are my best bets to see improvement?
I do hope to make a bit of a living of this/ salary!! Any books a newbie like me should read?

Thanks for any and all help!!
If there was a 10 horse field...

Would you make this bet?

"The 1,3,5,7 and 10" can not finish in the top 4. If they do, you die.

Yes or no?
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:35 PM   #3
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Probably not , but do u have past performances??.. Haha
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:46 PM   #4
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I have been handicapping horses for well over a year now and I seem to be missing something. I put 100 dollars a month into betting. I always bet with a past performances, I buy it a day in advance and really get into handicapping and look for things also before post time. I bet 10cent superfecta's usually 5 horse box bet, also bet quinellas, and show bets. At the end this really does not seem to be paying off if I'm lucky I brake even. What am I doing wrong? What do I need to put better bets together? What are my best bets to see improvement?
I do hope to make a bit of a living of this/ salary!! Any books a newbie like me should read?

Thanks for any and all help!!
There are several individuals that supplement their living with their horseracing gambling. Check with Pandy, Joseph Schwartz and Raybo for appropriate ideas and reading material. I'm sure they will be glad to help you.

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Old 02-13-2016, 04:21 PM   #5
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Hope I get some insight and some good advice on this.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:29 PM   #6
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Hope you have a decent bankroll to start.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:42 PM   #7
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Probably not , but do u have past performances??.. Haha
Well, when you get 5 horse super boxes, that's exactly the bet you are making.
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:43 PM   #8
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I have been handicapping horses for well over a year now and I seem to be missing something. I put 100 dollars a month into betting. I always bet with a past performances, I buy it a day in advance and really get into handicapping and look for things also before post time. I bet 10cent superfecta's usually 5 horse box bet, also bet quinellas, and show bets. At the end this really does not seem to be paying off if I'm lucky I brake even. What am I doing wrong? What do I need to put better bets together? What are my best bets to see improvement?
I do hope to make a bit of a living of this/ salary!! Any books a newbie like me should read?

Thanks for any and all help!!
Do you possess the sort of "specialized" knowledge which might be turned into an edge over your competition? Otherwise...seeking to profit in this game is an unrealistic expectation...IMO.
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19 years from now, if you work real hard, you'll start recognizing the holes in your game, and if you continue to work real hard, you may be able to intelligently address them and start making some hay. That's the story most of us can share with you.
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If there was a 10 horse field...

Would you make this bet?

"The 1,3,5,7 and 10" can not finish in the top 4. If they do, you die.

Yes or no?
If this is your qualifying rule for making a bet...then, how many bets do you expect to find?
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19 years from now, if you work real hard, you'll start recognizing the holes in your game, and if you continue to work real hard, you may be able to intelligently address them and start making some hay. That's the story most of us can share with you.
... or you will be doing most of the same things you've always been doing wrong but with a slightly better (but still not good enough) result.

Imagine you and a friend are taking up golf. You spend your $100 per month on a couple of rounds (at a cheap golf course -LOL) and your friend decides to do that but also make a concerted effort to improve by reading books, watching videos. taking some practice and maybe even some lessons. While neither of you may be headed to the PGA tour, I would guess that the friend will do better because instead of just "playing" he is working to improve.

My experience indicates that improvement takes concerted effort as opposed to just "playing longer."

Just my opinion.
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Forget the show bets, the 5 horse box is tough , if its a small field you can't make much money unless 2 longshots run 1-2.In a large field like emd4me said I only takes 1 horse to get in there that you don't have you will die a quick death, if you are just starting out try to pick the winner (win bet) and some exactors, its hard to pick one horse never mind all 4 in a super.If you are hell bent on playing supers , key 1or 2 horses with a few behind and then the "all button". Horses that are bombs tend to come 3rd or 4th more often than not for many reasons. Just read the Alvarado thread that just took place at Aqueduct, that's just one reason, bad jock riding hard, half decent jock giving up.
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... or you will be doing most of the same things you've always been doing wrong but with a slightly better (but still not good enough) result.

Imagine you and a friend are taking up golf. You spend your $100 per month on a couple of rounds (at a cheap golf course -LOL) and your friend decides to do that but also make a concerted effort to improve by reading books, watching videos. taking some practice and maybe even some lessons. While neither of you may be headed to the PGA tour, I would guess that the friend will do better because instead of just "playing" he is working to improve.

My experience indicates that improvement takes concerted effort as opposed to just "playing longer."

Just my opinion.
I think you've described "working hard".
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Working hard... Maybe.

But it is like hitting a bucket of balls twice a week when you have bad mechanics. You just get better at the bad mechanics.

IMHO, one must get outside help.
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If this is your qualifying rule for making a bet...then, how many bets do you expect to find?
I just want to make his mind work, that's all.

Believe me I box 5 horses in sups in big fields, sometimes. However, I prefer to play supers when I have 2 or 3 opinions in a race.

Example: 4 will win the pace battle. Throw the 179 out as they will chase the 4. Then I truly believe the 2 will suck up and maybe the 5 will suck up.

Key 4 1st and 2nd (weighed out, 70% to the 4 on top, 30% 2nd) with the 2 AND 5 hitting the super BUT the 179 must run out.

Then I'll play a 4 / 2 / 36810 /36810 and a 4 / 36810 / 2/ 3 6 8 10 for a bit less as I would to be right in my 2 main opinions and lose the bet because the 3rd opinion was wrong.
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