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Old 11-05-2021, 09:19 PM   #46
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somebody screwed up

whether the vet was premature, or the relay to official scratch was premature,

or whether it was in fact their official protocol and they let the horse run for purse anyway because of the stage and the owner.

either way, they scratched a sound horse who was a strong favorite and centerpiece of major race day multi race sequence


weird things occur, and we're human.


still fu**ing stinks!!

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On racing's biggest stage you make sure about gate scratches before you announce to the public.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:20 PM   #47
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They showed video-clearly they opened the gate, he did not break through.
Did they show what he did after he came out? He was bucking and stumbling.

Did they replay the flip so you could see if the hit him?

This looked gruesome. As soon as I saw him come out I figured they would scratch him.

Look, if you had him in a horizontal wager, this is Scott Van Pelt territory. I get that. But it looks to me like two correct decisions (by the stewards and then by the connections).
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:21 PM   #48
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They should never had scratched him. Don't defend the stewards for this incompetence.

ROFL


great observation with the benefit of your hindsight.



Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.


The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal)





Had it been a $5000 claimer at Waterford Park, they would have scratched the #1 totally out of the race, and he'd find another $5000 claimer at Waterford Park next week.

This modification was surely unique for the Breeders' Cup.

Had #1 fallen to the ground as did the #2, the #1 would have been removed from the race in automatic fashion.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:22 PM   #49
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I'm just here to vent... if I don't laugh in moments like these I would go berserk. Can they do me that dirty? Man, what a ride.... never thought it would end like this.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:23 PM   #50
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But it looks to me like two correct decisions (by the stewards and then by the connections).
to scratch an unfit horse, or to run a fit horse?

choose one

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Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.


The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal).
then get him to vet care

you logically justify 'protecting the public from betting injured animal' by letting that guess of soundness run amongst the other horses and the betting??

what in f**ks name?
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:23 PM   #51
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ROFL


great observation with the benefit of your hindsight.



Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.


The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal)





Had it been a $5000 claimer at Waterford Park, they would have scratched the #1 totally out of the race, and he'd find another $5000 claimer at Waterford Park next week.

This modification was surely unique for the Breeders' Cup.

Had #1 fallen to the ground as did the #2, the #1 would have been removed from the race in automatic fashion.
Right. And if you think THIS was a black eye for the sport, imagine the hell we would have caught if the horse had broken down after being allowed back in.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:24 PM   #52
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to scratch an unfit horse, or to run a fit horse?

choose one
The Stewards are making a different calculation than the owners
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:25 PM   #53
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somebody screwed up

whether the vet was premature, or the relay to official scratch was premature,

or whether it was in fact their official protocol and they let the horse run for purse anyway because of the stage and the owner.

either way, they scratched a sound horse who was a strong favorite and centerpiece of major race day multi race sequence


weird things occur, and we're human.


still fu**ing stinks!!


... except your stance is obviously that of someone viewing only in hindsight.


The only thing that mattered was the view looking forward toward the contest soon to commence once the #2 went down and was scratched.

(* and I use the term "soon" somewhat loosely)
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Right. And if you think THIS was a black eye for the sport, imagine the hell we would have caught if the horse had broken down after being allowed back in.

gawd, yes... (me, in empty room, speaking out:


"riiiiiiiiiiiiIGHT !" (zero sarcasm in the tone, FYI) )
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to scratch an unfit horse, or to run a fit horse?

choose one



then get him to vet care
They DID !!!!

a Vet, as everyone knows, was right there on scene.
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Right. And if you think THIS was a black eye for the sport, imagine the hell we would have caught if the horse had broken down after being allowed back in.
This is such a typical nonsense post.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:33 PM   #57
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somebody screwed up

whether the vet was premature, or the relay to official scratch was premature,

or whether it was in fact their official protocol and they let the horse run for purse anyway because of the stage and the owner.

either way, they scratched a sound horse who was a strong favorite and centerpiece of major race day multi race sequence


weird things occur, and we're human.


still fu**ing stinks!!
The fix was in
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ROFL


great observation with the benefit of your hindsight.



Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.


The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal)





Had it been a $5000 claimer at Waterford Park, they would have scratched the #1 totally out of the race, and he'd find another $5000 claimer at Waterford Park next week.

This modification was surely unique for the Breeders' Cup.

Had #1 fallen to the ground as did the #2, the #1 would have been removed from the race in automatic fashion.

Gate scratch means horse doesn't run. Hindsight 20/20
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This is such a typical nonsense post.
Which you didn't happen to refute
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:38 PM   #60
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Stewards thought he broke through the gate and so scratched him and he was removed from the pool in some jurisdictions. They then realised he was actually released from the gate by an assistant starter and so was allowed to run. Californian rules state that once a horse has been removed from the pool due to an error the horse shall start but race for purse money only.

The worst mess-up I've seen so far in US horse racing. And I've seen some good ones!

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