Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Handicapping Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 11-06-2021, 10:23 AM   #16
Dave Schwartz
 
Dave Schwartz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by headhawg View Post
True, but smart handicappers would have read Percentages & Probabilities written by some guy (I forget his name).
You know, I never thought that book would be such a success.

Buy Percentages & Probabilities here.

Ironically, HorseMarket Investing has sold almost 14 times as many copies!

Dave
PS: I am currently using HMI to beat crypto.
Dave Schwartz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-06-2021, 11:33 AM   #17
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
exclusions

No bad ped, bridesmaids, chronic losers, no bad favorites.

Todays bets,
Mahoning Valley 8 $10.00 EXA 3 / 2, 6, 7 $30.00

Mahoning Valley 1 $10.00 EXA 4 / 3 $10.00
Laurel Park 9 $10.00 EXA 1 / 4, 7 $20.00
Laurel Park 9 $10.00 EXA 1, 7 / 4 $20.00 $20.00
Laurel Park 5 $10.00 EXA 1 / 4, 8 $20.00
Laurel Park 3 $10.00 EXA 2 / 5, 7 $20.00
Laurel Park 1 $10.00 EXA 3 / 4, 8, 9 $30.00
Golden Gate 8 $10.00 EXA 3 / 2, 5 $20.00
Golden Gate 5 $10.00 EXA 1, 4 / 1, 4, 5 $40.00
Golden Gate 1 $4.00 EXA 2 / 3 $4.00
Golden Gate 1 $10.00 EXA 2 / 6 $10.00
Delta Downs 7 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1, 3, 6, 8 $40.00
Charles Town 4 $10.00 EXA 4 / 1, 2, 3 $30.00
Churchill Downs 10 $10.00 EXA 4 / 3, 7, 8 $30.00
Churchill Downs 9 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1, 5, 9 $30.00
Churchill Downs 3 $10.00 EXA 3 / 1, 4 $20.00
Belmont Park 4 $10.00 EXA 4 / 2, 3 $20.00
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-06-2021, 07:15 PM   #18
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz View Post
You know, I never thought that book would be such a success.

Buy Percentages & Probabilities here.

Ironically, HorseMarket Investing has sold almost 14 times as many copies!

Dave
PS: I am currently using HMI to beat crypto.
So how can this help our exact the wagers without us having to buy the book
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-06-2021, 09:02 PM   #19
Dave Schwartz
 
Dave Schwartz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by teddy View Post
So how can this help our exact the wagers without us having to buy the book
Gosh, I never thought of that as a strategy: write a book then give away what's in it. LOL

Okay, a serious answer.

You've chosen factors that are not statistically that significant, or actually might have the precise opposite impact that is suggested by the tables.

As an example, Turfway favors OUTSIDE posts, especially in the winter. (Must admit that I have not looked at this in a while, but that is what stood up for quite a while.)
There is a small section in the book on Post Position, but the studies I've never gone public with all link post position with running style.

IOW, while a particular track might favor inside posts, when you break it down by running style, you will possibly/probably find that front runners benefit from being outside while closers benefit from being inside.
Why didn't I go public with these studies?
Because the report generated - even in a small font - was 800 pages!


Hope this helps your cause.
Dave Schwartz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-06-2021, 11:22 PM   #20
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Mahoning Valley 8 $10.00 EXA 3 / 2, 6, 7 $30.00 $0.00
Mahoning Valley 1 $10.00 EXA 4 / 3 $10.00 $0.00
Laurel Park 9 $10.00 EXA 1 / 4, 7 $20.00 $0.00
Laurel Park 9 $10.00 EXA 1, 7 / 4 $20.00 $20.00
Laurel Park 5 $10.00 EXA 1 / 4, 8 $20.00 $186.00
Laurel Park 3 $10.00 EXA 2 / 5, 7 $20.00 $59.00
Laurel Park 1 $10.00 EXA 3 / 4, 8, 9 $30.00 $30.00 Bet was cancelled
Golden Gate 8 $10.00 EXA 3 / 2, 5 $20.00 $0.00
Golden Gate 5 $10.00 EXA 1, 4 / 1, 4, 5 $40.00 $0.00
Golden Gate 1 $4.00 EXA 2 / 3 $4.00 $0.00
Golden Gate 1 $10.00 EXA 2 / 6 $10.00 $0.00
Delta Downs 7 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1, 3, 6, 8 $40.00 $10.00
Charles Town 4 $10.00 EXA 4 / 1, 2, 3 $30.00 $0.00
Churchill Downs 10 $10.00 EXA 4 / 3, 7, 8 $30.00 $0.00
Churchill Downs 9 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1, 5, 9 $30.00 $0.00
Churchill Downs 3 $10.00 EXA 3 / 1, 4 $20.00 $20.00
Belmont Park 4 $10.00 EXA 4 / 2, 3 $20.00 $0.00

394 bet
310 returned
40 rebate..

Last edited by teddy; 11-06-2021 at 11:25 PM.
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-06-2021, 11:34 PM   #21
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz View Post
Gosh, I never thought of that as a strategy: write a book then give away what's in it. LOL

Okay, a serious answer.

You've chosen factors that are not statistically that significant, or actually might have the precise opposite impact that is suggested by the tables.

As an example, Turfway favors OUTSIDE posts, especially in the winter. (Must admit that I have not looked at this in a while, but that is what stood up for quite a while.)
There is a small section in the book on Post Position, but the studies I've never gone public with all link post position with running style.

IOW, while a particular track might favor inside posts, when you break it down by running style, you will possibly/probably find that front runners benefit from being outside while closers benefit from being inside.
Why didn't I go public with these studies?
Because the report generated - even in a small font - was 800 pages!


Hope this helps your cause.
I see.. makes sense to get your spots printed then check the rs to the pp...might move the percentage up a point or two on the roi.
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 11:28 AM   #22
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Bets have Doubled...

Woodbine TB 4 $20.00 EXA 2 / 3, 4 $40.00
Mountaineer Park 6 $20.00 EXA 4 / 3, 7 $40.00
Hawthorne TB 5 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1, 4, 6, 7 $40.00

Gulfstream 6 $20.00 EXA 4 / 1, 6 $40.00
Golden Gate 9 $20.00 EXA 3 / 1, 6 $40.00

Golden Gate 8 $20.00 EXA 4 / 1, 6, 7 $60.00
Golden Gate 7 $20.00 EXA 1 / 3, 4, 5 $60.00

Golden Gate 6 $20.00 EXA 2 / 1, 4, 6 $60.00
Del Mar 9 $20.00 EXA 4 / 7, 10 $40.00
Churchill Downs 5 $20.00 EXA 3 / 5, 7, 8 $60.00
Woodbine TB 1 $5.00 EXA 3 / 2, 4, 5, 6, 9 $25.00

Belmont Park 4 $20.00 EXA 4 / 1, 6 $40.00
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 11:59 AM   #23
Dave Schwartz
 
Dave Schwartz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by teddy View Post
I see.. makes sense to get your spots printed then check the rs to the pp...might move the percentage up a point or two on the roi.
Question is do the "points" move up or down?

Varies by track and distance.
Dave Schwartz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 12:14 PM   #24
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz View Post
Question is do the "points" move up or down?

Varies by track and distance.
Im sorry I dont understand. The idea is to move them up LOL
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 01:57 PM   #25
Dave Schwartz
 
Dave Schwartz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by teddy View Post
Im sorry I dont understand. The idea is to move them up LOL
I am saying that sometimes an inside post is actually a DOWN.

That is, they win LESS.
Dave Schwartz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 02:01 PM   #26
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz View Post
I am saying that sometimes an inside post is actually a DOWN.

That is, they win LESS.
yes thats obvious. The point would be to screen my plays with a Data base that would have me exclude plays with bad posts and double down on good posts. Right?? Also where the race style was ineffective at that post we could screen those too.....
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 02:38 PM   #27
Dave Schwartz
 
Dave Schwartz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by teddy View Post
yes thats obvious. The point would be to screen my plays with a Data base that would have me exclude plays with bad posts and double down on good posts. Right?? Also where the race style was ineffective at that post we could screen those too.....
Then we're on the same page.

It will be a difficult mechanism to build.
Dave Schwartz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-07-2021, 09:45 PM   #28
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Belmont Park 1 $10.00 EXA 4, 5, 8 / 2 $30.00 $0.00
Golden Gate 8 $20.00 EXA 4 / 1, 6, 7 $60.00 $0.00
Woodbine TB 4 $20.00 EXA 2 / 3, 4 $40.00 $0.00
Mountaineer Park 6 $20.00 EXA 4 / 3, 7$40.00 $116.00
Hawthorne TB 5 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1, 4, 6, 7 $40.00 $0.00
Gulfstream 6 $20.00 EXA 4 / 1, 6 $40.00 $0.00
Golden Gate 9 $20.00 EXA 3 / 1, 6 $40.00 $0.00

Golden Gate 7 $20.00 EXA 1 / 3, 4, 5 $60.00 $0.00
Golden Gate 6 $20.00 EXA 2 / 1, 4, 6 $60.00 $0.00
Del Mar 9 $20.00 EXA 4 / 7, 10 $40.00 $0.00
Churchill Downs 5 $20.00 EXA 3 / 5, 7, 8 $60.00 $0.00
W oodbine TB 1 $5.00 EXA 3 / 2, 4, 5, 6, 9 $25.00 $5.00
Belmont Park 4 $20.00 EXA 4 / 1, 6 $40.00 $00

returned 121
bet 565

OUCH... smacked down... only 4 winners and missed the place spot in all but one
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-08-2021, 12:56 PM   #29
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
Exacta Plays... I handicapped all the spots. There were 9 but only played 6 races

Indiana Grand 1 $10.00 EXA 2 / 1 $10.00

Indiana Grand 1 $20.00 EXA 2 / 6 $20.00

Mahoning Valley 1 $5.00 EXA 3 / 8, 9 $10.00

Mountaineer Park 2 $10.00 EXA 6 / 2, 8 $20.00

Mountaineer Park 2 $5.00 EXA 2 / 8 $5.00

Mountaineer Park 2 $20.00 EXA 2 / 6, 7 $40.00

Finger Lakes 8 $10.00 EXA 3 / 4, 5, 8 $30.00
Zia Park 9 $10.00 EXA 5, 7 / 1, 3, 5, 7 $60.00

Zia Park 9 $5.00 EXA 1 / 3, 5, 7 $15.00
Mahoney Valley 1 $10.00 EXA 3 / 2, 5, 7 $30.00
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-09-2021, 02:31 PM   #30
teddy
Registered User
 
teddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,516
11/09 2:12 PM Turf Paradise 3 $10.00 EXA 3 / 1 $10.00

11/09 2:11 PM Turf Paradise 3 $20.00 EXA 1 / 3, 6 $40.00

11/09 2:10 PM Finger Lakes 5 $10.00 EXA 2 / 3 $10.00

11/09 2:10 PM Finger Lakes 5 $20.00 EXA 3 / 2, 4 $40.00
teddy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply





Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
» Current Polls
Wh deserves to be the favorite? (last 4 figures)
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.