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10-11-2016, 11:05 PM
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Just another Facist
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Positive for PCP
This will be a big factor at trial
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10-12-2016, 10:12 AM
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#167
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I don't know what the police are saying to this guy but in a lot of videos - they do order suspects to get on the ground etc -- yet as pointed out he is walking away from the police and reaching into or looks like he is going into his vehicle and to me that is not what you want to do .... his walking away in fact allows him to potentially control the situation because he is doing want he wants to do ... if he was not shot and reached in for an assault rifle etc. and began shooting .. then what ?
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10-12-2016, 10:30 AM
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#168
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Positive for PCP
This will be a big factor at trial
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I think it was obvious something wasn't right with a person who stops their car in the middle of a two lane road impeding traffic in both directions. It signals the perp is either drunk, high, crazy or all of the above. If your car breaks down you pull over on the shoulder not in to oncoming traffic.
Considering the video I don't think the finding of PCP will alter the cop being guilty. The guy wasn't exhibiting violent behavior.
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10-12-2016, 10:58 AM
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clean money
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If the prosecution can prove that the windows of his vehicle were up, then it is clearly voluntary manslaughter. Whether he had pcp in his system, A machine gun in his trunk, A Facebook post earlier in the day stating that he was going to kill police etc. etc. etc.… All of that stuff is "noise".
Either he was reaching in his vehicle, or he was not.
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10-12-2016, 11:26 AM
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This is what cops are supposed to be trained to confront . . . the lady cop clearly shit her pants and panicked . . . this is the end result of lowering the bar to accommodate politically correct hiring quotas (whether explicit or tacit) . . . the lady cop ought to seek a plea because at a minimum she's guilty of manslaughter due to her negligence
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10-12-2016, 11:34 AM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by Tor Ekman
This is what cops are supposed to be trained to confront . . . the lady cop clearly shit her pants and panicked . . . this is the end result of lowering the bar to accommodate politically correct hiring quotas (whether explicit or tacit) . . . the lady cop ought to seek a plea because at a minimum she's guilty of manslaughter due to her negligence
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I agree with all the above (pretty much). But now her attorney can say that her initial judgement was correct (she claimed immed. That she thought he was on PCP if I remember right) and that brings in some credibility on her part. Then her attorney can try to extend that to her belief she needed to shoot. It all depends on the jury.
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10-12-2016, 11:49 AM
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#172
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Something is very wrong here. The U.S. gun culture?
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10-12-2016, 11:58 AM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by hcap
Something is very wrong here. The U.S. gun culture?
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Those countries don't have black ghettos comprised of a permanent underclass.
Japan has very very few minorities. Your mixing apples and oranges
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10-12-2016, 11:58 AM
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They'll probably dismiss the case now. If Comey didn't think he could nail Hillary no way in hell this cop gets the axe.
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10-12-2016, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Something is very wrong here. The U.S. gun culture?
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They also don't have a leaky border that provides huge amounts of hard drugs and the crime that comes with it. Also people south of the border and their descendants populate street gangs.
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10-12-2016, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Something is very wrong here. The U.S. gun culture?
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Ok, please post videos of people that police pulled over in Japan that were unruly, or simply didn't abide by police orders (such as don't move, or, put the gun down). Unless you post videos of that nature then we are just comparing apples to oranges.
Police in the US are Ina much more volatile environment
What you need to realize is it's cultural. Police here are not much different than in Germany (been there) but the way certain folks here react to being pulled over, is. When you see how the Japanese people reacted after the tsunami, you realize how much better their culture is when it comes to order during duress. No lootings, no shootings.
Last edited by ElKabong; 10-12-2016 at 04:28 PM.
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10-12-2016, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Those countries don't have black ghettos comprised of a permanent underclass.
Japan has very very few minorities. Your mixing apples and oranges
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Da fuq?
Are you being facetious?
In case you aren't, look up Brixton, Ladywood, Peckham, Hackney, Moss Side, huge parts of Birmingham and Bradford.
Or watch this documentary if you want a taste, albeit a bit biased towards the police.
[YT="Race riots in England"]_qktOvVNXwc[/YT]
Here's another one...
[YT="More race riots in England"]IMvuoGji3yU[/YT]
Last edited by nearco; 10-12-2016 at 11:38 PM.
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10-13-2016, 12:01 AM
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#178
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by nearco
Da fuq?
Are you being facetious?
In case you aren't, look up Brixton, Ladywood, Peckham, Hackney, Moss Side, huge parts of Birmingham and Bradford.
Or watch this documentary if you want a taste, albeit a bit biased towards the police.
[YT="Race riots in England"]_qktOvVNXwc[/YT]
Here's another one...
[YT="More race riots in England"]IMvuoGji3yU[/YT]
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Apples and oranges still. Here in the U.S. They riot for different reasons.....and they know they can get away with it. Btw, we aren't discussing riots. We are discussing police shooting deaths
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10-13-2016, 12:28 AM
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#179
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You said they don't have ghettos comprised of a large black underclass, I just showed you they do. You were wrong, admit it.
And those riots were sparked by the very same reasons as recent riots in the US, the killing of members of a minority group at the hands of police (did you even bother to watch the videos?) and the perception that the police force is biased or at very a tension between the police force and a large black underclass.
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10-13-2016, 01:22 AM
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#180
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by nearco
You said they don't have ghettos comprised of a large black underclass, I just showed you they do. You were wrong, admit it.
And those riots were sparked by the very same reasons as recent riots in the US, the killing of members of a minority group at the hands of police (did you even bother to watch the videos?) and the perception that the police force is biased or at very a tension between the police force and a large black underclass.
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maybe you're right. I'll watch em.......
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