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04-21-2021, 01:54 PM
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No whipping; no jocks at Monmouth 2021
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...er-whip-rules/
No jersey joe or Gallardo or Centeno.
Guess what nobody will miss them
Good one for the jocks that can win races without using a stick.
And more money for them while the names are absent.
Allan
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04-21-2021, 02:21 PM
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04-21-2021, 04:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
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There has been many a time I wish my horse was ridden by a robot jockey.
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04-21-2021, 07:41 PM
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Just another Facist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
There has been many a time I wish my horse was ridden by a robot jockey.
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Hmmmm.......
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04-22-2021, 11:56 AM
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Track is a joke, anyway...from top to bottom. Speeds up the process.
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04-22-2021, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
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Don’t be surprised if Monmouth doesn’t get enough jockeys to perform racing. Word from what I’ve been hearing is a possible jockey boycott.
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04-22-2021, 02:06 PM
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Monomoy Girl wins the Apple blossom under this rule and even under the Ca rule.
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04-22-2021, 03:05 PM
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04-22-2021, 03:30 PM
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I wish the rules of this game would make a little more sense consistency-wise. The industry refuses to eliminate the run-ups, which have been needlessly confusing horseplayers for God knows how long...because timing the races from a standing start would result in slower running times, which would presumably reflect negatively on the "quality" of today's horses. The same argument keeps the weight of the jockeys at the extremely low levels that we see today. If the American jockeys weighed say, 130 pounds, the horses' running times would suffer...and this would presumably reflect negatively upon our sport. Won't the removal of the whip result in slower running times as well? And if the horses' running times are suddently rendered unimportant, which I happen to agree with...then, why not do away with the run-ups and the extremely low jockey body weights as well. That way, the horseplayer can be spared of some needless aggravation...and the jockeys can be spared of some of the vomiting that they must now endure.
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04-22-2021, 05:29 PM
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04-22-2021, 10:28 PM
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04-23-2021, 10:25 AM
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I don't have a full grasp of the safety issues because I'm not a rider, but beyond that I don't get why this is a "passionate" debate. As long as the riders can carry the crop and use it effectively for safety, I don't see much of an issue here.
Sure, if Irad Ortiz wasn't allowed to use his strong well timed left handed whipping maybe Latruska wouldn't have come back on Monomoy Girl. Then people that owned, trained, and bet on Latruska would have been deprived of the win. But 50% of the time it's going to go the other way and you are going to cash instead.
I could see a handful of riders maybe feeling they use the whip more effectively than their competition. So they might feel like they'd be giving up a small edge, but that's got little to do with me as a bettor and it would be good for the rest of the riders. If I was one of the weaker finishers with the whip, I'd be happy to give it up as long my safety wasn't threatened.
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04-23-2021, 10:59 AM
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The basic problem is the whip looks cruel. So from an image standpoint, you want to use it as little as possible.
And the rules should reflect a balance between that issue and the need for a whip to actually control the horse and protect the riders' safety.
One thing I think handicappers do need to let go of is the notion of the rider whipping over and over again through the stretch, a la Capot in the 1949 Belmont or Holy Bull in the 1994 Travers (see video below). I know it signals the rider is pulling out all stops to try and gain the victory, but outsiders see something like that and it codes as animal abuse.
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04-23-2021, 11:14 AM
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Just another Facist
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How many horses have died, been seriously injured etc from whipping over the last hundred years?
Is this a real problem?
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04-23-2021, 11:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I don't have a full grasp of the safety issues because I'm not a rider, but beyond that I don't get why this is a "passionate" debate. As long as the riders can carry the crop and use it effectively for safety, I don't see much of an issue here.
Sure, if Irad Ortiz wasn't allowed to use his strong well timed left handed whipping maybe Latruska wouldn't have come back on Monomoy Girl. Then people that owned, trained, and bet on Latruska would have been deprived of the win. But 50% of the time it's going to go the other way and you are going to cash instead.
I could see a handful of riders maybe feeling they use the whip more effectively than their competition. So they might feel like they'd be giving up a small edge, but that's got little to do with me as a bettor and it would be good for the rest of the riders. If I was one of the weaker finishers with the whip, I'd be happy to give it up as long my safety wasn't threatened.
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Yes all jockeys will carry whips in Jersey. So I am not understanding the safety argument.
Allan
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