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Old 01-17-2019, 02:28 PM   #46
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David Gutfreund did not stay away for horse tournaments for long. Just won the NTRA Tour.
Horse tournaments are a different breed of animal, altogether....

To win the NTRA Tour is a money-pit trap while attempting the year long pursuit to chase down the crown....No telling how much total expense Gutfreund came out of pocket to lockup 1st place of $100K.

https://www.ntra.com/tourney-veteran...-championship/
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:42 PM   #47
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Horse tournaments are a different breed of animal, altogether....

To win the NTRA Tour is a money-pit trap while attempting the year long pursuit to chase down the crown....No telling how much total expense Gutfreund came out of pocket to lockup 1st place of $100K.

https://www.ntra.com/tourney-veteran...-championship/
It certainly can be a money pit unless you are centrally located to a lot of venues and/or can minimize travel costs but in listening to Dave walk through he year, I think it is fair to say he didn't spend too much. Although he went coast to coast for a few on track tourneys (Los Al, Med), they may have coincided with some other planned ventures. Having won 5 of 11, he was playing with house money.

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Old 01-17-2019, 11:47 PM   #48
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:25 PM   #49
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with this opinion. The crazy late odds swings are total insanity. This issue absolutely needs to be addressed asap. You cant allow a handful of folks special privileges over the rest of the players. Common sense. Same rules for all.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's not asking to much to know the odds you're betting on.

I hope more high profile players do the same thing Dave has done and walk away. This bullshitt needs to stop.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:50 PM   #50
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The late odds changes have been happening for decades. imo, way too much is made of it as a negative factor in anyone's game.

In order to have value , regularly, in a game with a confiscatory takeout, you need a steady and abundant supply of suckers.

Do we have that?

That said, if you do the hard work, and have loads of patience, there is still opportunity. If you want to bet every race or 20 races a day in simulcasts, you probably can't find that much edge.
I disagree. Even experienced players can struggle with what constitutes "fair"odds. I wouldn't call these kind of players "suckers." It's just a difference of opinion on what the odds should be.
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