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03-24-2019, 09:15 PM
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Vengeance and horrification of how cruel we can be motivates many of us, but the death penalty does not curtail homicides.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf
A report by the National Research Council, titled Deterrence and the Death Penalty, stated that studies claiming that the death penalty has a deterrent effect on murder rates are “fundamentally flawed” and should not be used when making policy decisions (2012). •Consistent with previous years, the 2016 FBI Uniform Crime Report showed that the South had the highest murder rate. The South accounts for over 80% of executions. The Northeast, which has less than 1% of all executions, had lowest murder rate.
The Death Penalty and Deterrence
https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/de...nd-deterrence/
A 2009 survey of criminologists revealed that over 88% believed the death penalty was NOT a deterrent to murder.
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So you PAY to maintain the garbage...or let them stay WITH you....I'm good with bleeding hearts doing that....oh wait...when push comes to shove...
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03-24-2019, 09:16 PM
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Was that study peer-reviewed?
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03-24-2019, 11:38 PM
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So you PAY to maintain the garbage...or let them stay WITH you....I'm good with bleeding hearts doing that....oh wait...when push comes to shove...
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Did you ever wonder how much it costs to go through 20 years of appeals? There is one Supermax in the USA. This is what it is like.
The majority of the facility is above ground. The only part that is underground is a subterranean corridor that links cellblocks to the lobby. Inmates spend 23 hours a day locked in their cells and are escorted by a minimum of three officers for their five hours of private recreation per week.[17] Each cell has a desk, a stool, and a bed, which are almost entirely made out of poured concrete, as well as a toilet that shuts off if blocked, a shower that runs on a timer to prevent flooding, and a sink lacking a potentially dangerous tap. Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light that can be shut off only remotely, a radio, and a black-and-white television that shows recreational, educational, and religious programming.[18] In addition, all cells are soundproofed to prevent prisoners from communicating with each other via Morse code.
The 1⁄3-by-4-foot (0.10 by 1.22 m) windows are designed to prevent inmates from knowing their specific location within the complex because they can see only the sky and roof through them, making it virtually impossible to plan an escape. Inmates exercise in a concrete pit resembling an empty swimming pool, also designed to prevent them from knowing their location in the facility.[19] The pit is only large enough for a prisoner to walk 10 steps in a straight line, or 31 steps in a circle. Food is hand-delivered by correction officers. However, inmates sent here from other prisons can potentially be allowed to eat in a shared dining room.[14] The prison as a whole contains a multitude of motion detectors and cameras, and 1,400 remote-controlled steel doors. Officers in the prison's control center monitor inmates 24 hours a day and can activate a "panic button" that instantly closes every door in the facility should an escape attempt be suspected. Pressure pads and 12-foot-tall (3.7 m) razor wire fences surround the perimeter, which is patrolled by heavily armed officers. In the case of inmates who are deemed to be extreme security risks, the center of the prison houses an area known as the "Z-Unit". Each of the three Z-Unit cells is equipped with a full set of body restraints that are built directly into the concrete bed, as is true for every cell in the facility
Worse than death or not?
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03-25-2019, 02:42 AM
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Did you ever wonder how much it costs to go through 20 years of appeals? There is one Supermax in the USA. This is what it is like.
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The happiest prisoner in a Supermax is Ted Kaczynski (the unabomber). The guy is totally nuts. He just wants to be alone. He got what he wanted.
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03-25-2019, 10:26 AM
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Lone-wolf Polish-white supremist!
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03-25-2019, 10:28 AM
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The death penalty isn't much of a deterrent because the death row inmates die of OLD AGE instead of being executed promptly. Walk that bitch up to a noose tomorrow, and whisper in her ear..."that's alright, you can let go of your life now", the way SHE did to her poor adopted daughter...and watch her beg for her life while pissing in her pants. And...tie the boyfriend down and point a chain saw to his private parts...and see if that doesn't make a strong impression upon him.
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Not only is there clear evidence the death penalty does not curtail future homicides, but your apparent need for "justice", does not take into account the percentage of innocents convicted and executed.
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A number of people are claimed to have been innocent victims of the death penalty.[3][4] Newly available DNA evidence has allowed the exoneration and release of more than 20 death row inmates since 1992 in the United States,[5] but DNA evidence is available in only a fraction of capital cases. Others have been released on the basis of weak cases against them, sometimes involving prosecutorial misconduct; resulting in acquittal at retrial, charges dropped, or innocence-based pardons. The Death Penalty Information Center (U.S.) has published a list of 10 inmates "executed but possibly innocent".[6] Of all executions in the United States, 144 have been exonerated after execution.[7]
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What percentage of innocents is needed to question anything but a compassionate decision of the our flawed policy and very Final "eye for an eye?"
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03-25-2019, 10:40 AM
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[6] Of all executions in the United States, 144 have been exonerated after execution.
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1. How many total - what % is 144?
2. What reasons for exoneration - pareto chart?
I suggested state-paid-for DNA testing in all cases where applicable. How many of the 144 wold not have been executed if that had been done?
Deep dive of date is needed here, not executive summaries.
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03-25-2019, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
1. How many total - what % is 144?
2. What reasons for exoneration - pareto chart?
I suggested state-paid-for DNA testing in all cases where applicable. How many of the 144 wold not have been executed if that had been done?
Deep dive of date is needed here, not executive summaries.
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Did you ask about peer-reviewed?
US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent
Deliberately conservative figure lays bare extent of possible miscarriages of justice suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognised
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dants-innocent
At least 4.1% of all defendants sentenced to death in the US in the modern era are innocent, according to the first major study to attempt to calculate how often states get it wrong in their wielding of the ultimate punishment.
A team of legal experts and statisticians from Michigan and Pennsylvania used the latest statistical techniques to produce a peer-reviewed estimate of the “dark figure” that lies behind the death penalty – how many of the more than 8,000 men and women who have been put on death row since the 1970s were falsely convicted.
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03-25-2019, 10:55 AM
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You ignored both of my questions.
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03-25-2019, 11:14 AM
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You ignored both of my questions.
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There is a ton of evidence in the links I quored. Look it up.
I presented enough evidence to make any compassionate "judge" reflect on the imperfections in our judicial policy. And I did answer your peer reviewed nonsense, particularly when you as usual post no fact, no data other than your opinions
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03-25-2019, 11:24 AM
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Opinions are what we talk about here.
You pretend to present facts.
I asked you specific questions about what you posted.
You can't answer them
Fine,
Talking through your hat again.
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03-25-2019, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Opinions are what we talk about here.
You pretend to present facts.
I asked you specific questions about what you posted.
You can't answer them
Fine,
Talking through your hat again.
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You are entitled to your own opinions, as is evertyone, but not your missing facts and data.
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03-25-2019, 11:31 AM
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You are like stepping on a water balloon - ask you anything and you change the subject. You present general, unspecific info, I asked about it, you deflected having to back it up.
Waste of time.
Maybe yo should work for FBI.
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03-25-2019, 01:43 PM
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Not only is there clear evidence the death penalty does not curtail future homicides, but your apparent need for "justice", does not take into account the percentage of innocents convicted and executed.
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I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. My need for "justice" was referring to obvious cases of guilt such as the one reported in this link...where the defendant spells out the chilling details without batting an eyelash. Did you read the article...where the adopted girl's mother testified that the intention initially wasn't to kill the poor girl, but to tie her up and keep her in the attic...where the sack-of-shit boyfriend could "rape her at will"? A good friend of mine works as a correctional officer at a Chicago maximum security prison...and he tells me that the violent criminals are granted health and dental insurance. Is that YOUR idea of "justice" when it comes to cases such as the one I have posted here?
I'm sorry if it offends your Buddhist sensibilities, Hcap...but I would pay money to be allowed to carve the eyeballs out of the skulls of these two animals...with a hot spoon. And I might be the least-violent member of this board...who wouldn't willingly even step on an ant.
No mercy whatsoever for the scum of the earth...I say. And if the Buddha is right, and we all come back to this earth for an encore performance...let those animals get things right the next time around. But this time they got things terribly wrong...and their exit from this life must be as painful as possible, IMO...in order for the lesson to be properly reinforced.
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03-25-2019, 04:18 PM
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I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing
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His parrot would talk to him, either!
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