President Donald J. Trump

[Tom]

You waste FACTS on the left - they only believe what they want to . Much easier on the noggin when thoughts are outsourced.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Tom

The debt didn't get where it is today by GOP spending.
The numbers/results are neither party is in control.
hat about the first 6 years for 0bama?

Bottom line, we spend too much. Both parties.
Allways.

I wanted to circle around on this. Here's non-defense discretionary spending by fiscal year (ends Sept 30).

FY12 -6.6%
FY13 -4.7%
FY14 1.0%
FY15 1.1%
FY16 2.0%
FY17 1.6%
FY18 4.7%

And we've already discussed the forward-looking trend (more similar to FY18 growth, not the years prior).

Sequestration.


Now there was certainly a big step up in overall spending in the 2008 to 2010 time frame, but it's hard to fault Obama for TARP and the recession.

Source: The White House's webpage....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/historical-tables/
Please see table 8.1//column E

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Coal supports an entire region of the country.

which coordinates almost exactly to the worst lung disease in the country.

quote a later 2018 study by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health shows a resurgence of the incurable respiratory illness, the highest rate recorded in roughly two decades.

Richard Valdmanis (19 July 2018). "A tenth of U.S. veteran coal miners have black lung disease:NIOSH". Reuters.

A 2016-17 investigation by National Public Radio found that the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health had under-reported cases of progressive massive fibrosis (a complication of black lung) by at least a factor of 20. NPR identified over 2,000 cases at certain clinics in Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, compared to 99 that NIOSH reported.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalwo...pneumoconiosis

quote: The highest rates of the disease are appearing in central Appalachian states like Kentucky and West Virginia, according to the report. In that region, a fifth of long-serving miners have black lung disease, and five percent have an advanced form considered completely debilitating.

from https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1K92W1

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

I wanted to circle around on this. Here's non-defense discretionary spending by fiscal year (ends Sept 30).

FY12 -6.6%
FY13 -4.7%
FY14 1.0%
FY15 1.1%
FY16 2.0%
FY17 1.6%
FY18 4.7%

And we've already discussed the forward-looking trend (more similar to FY18 growth, not the years prior).

Sequestration.


Now there was certainly a big step up in overall spending in the 2008 to 2010 time frame, but it's hard to fault Obama for TARP and the recession.

Source: The White House's webpage....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/historical-tables/
Please see table 8.1//column E

What is it you r saying here?
MORE spending in y18 than y17?
You mention 2008-2010 but not data for that period.
Can you explain this info?

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Last I heard from my relatives who are coal miners, they are all working making 19-28 an hour. They are very happy. Btw, they worked an on call system during Obama......working about 2 days a month.

Approximately 1,300 coal mining jobs have been added since Trump took office. Most of that increase was driven by exports, not a ramp in domestic demand. Every job is important, but an increase of 1,300 just isn't a needle mover. Nat gas is cleaner and cheaper. Therefore, a ramp in domestic coal demand will not and should not happen over the coming years. Coal is in long-term secular decline. I'm sorry for those communities heavily reliant on coal-mining jobs, and I certainly don't have a solution for them.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Tom

What is it you r saying here?
MORE spending in y18 than y17?
You mention 2008-2010 but not data for that period.
Can you explain this info?

Sure, as I said to you before, I don't think you can put the early years of the recession on Obama, and that's why I left the numbers out. FY08/FY09 are on GWB (fiscal years end Sept 30, as I'm sure you know). FY10 was up 13.3%. That's on Obama. As I said, there was a sharp ramp in spending in Obama's first few years in office, but sequestration curbed discretionary spending (FY14 forward), which is what we were discussing (the spring budget deal violated it). Remember, Obama didn't want sequestration and neither did the GOP, but it controlled this category of spending.

As you probably know, mandatory spending (think Social Security and Medicare) make up over 60% of the budget vs about 30% for discretionary (about 50/50 defense and non-defense). If you really care about the deficit, which I believe is the case, you should support entitlement reform. That's where the money is.

[Tom]

Thanks.

On another topic - coal.
Of course coal will give way to better sources, but the timing is not in the immediate future. Right NOW, we NEED coal.

Coal will go away, but not by govt degree, by market forces.
Like whale oil gave way to kerosine.

Some greedy rich entrepreneur will find a way to get some kind of monopoly on a source and make billions off from it, then eventually govt will break it up and it will be available to everyone, already developed and refined, by the greedy bastard. Who will then, in his later life, give billions away to further enrich society.

Like oil, steel, railroads.
Just like oil, steal.....

This country was grown on greed.

The alternative is Solyndra.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Tom

Thanks.

On another topic - coal.
Of course coal will give way to better sources, but the timing is not in the immediate future. Right NOW, we NEED coal.

Coal will go away, but not by govt degree, by market forces.
Like whale oil gave way to kerosine.

Some greedy rich entrepreneur will find a way to get some kind of monopoly on a source and make billions off from it, then eventually govt will break it up and it will be available to everyone, already developed and refined, by the greedy bastard. Who will then, in his later life, give billions away to further enrich society.

Like oil, steel, railroads.
Just like oil, steal.....

This country was grown on greed.

The alternative is Solyndra.

One of the few success story's of his graft and corruption.

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Awesome

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Four states set to cancel 2020 GOP presidential primaries: report

Sigh...

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