Religion III

[Actor]

Originally Posted by TJDave

There’s actually a rule of conquest?

Who knew?

Apparently boxcar doesn't.

"There's not an acre of land on the entire planet that's in the hands of the rightful owner." -- Mark Twain

Apparently Mark Twain did.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

"Virtually universal" is an oxymoron.

Do you mean "one can simply steal the guy's system and write one's own code?" If not then what you said makes no sense.

That's precisely what the question is. The Golden Rule is nothing more than advice from a religious text of questionable origin. No one enforces it. A lot of people ignore it assuming they ever heard of it. It's hardly an absolute objective truth. In fact if you do practice the Golden Rule a lot of people will take advantage of you.

I've named two. The Tahitians and the Hawaiians. The ones who "arrest, lock up and try" are the Spanish, the English, and the French, or the descendants of the same. So answer my question: "does the rule of conquest apply?"

So thievery is legal in Hawaii and Tahiti?

The Golden Rule has nothing to do with enforcement. It has to do with how people should treat one another. Or even more specifically, how we should love our neighbor, i.e. people with whom we come into personal contact. The Rule is universally valid because no one wants to be treated poorly. (Well...maybe you do.) Therefore, it is an absolute, objective, universal truth.

Why can't someone steal the guy's program? Or why can't someone steal the guy's system and write his own computer code for it, so that the system is computerized?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So thievery is legal in Hawaii and Tahiti?

No, because the Tahitians and Hawaiians no longer rule. By the rule of conquest the French control Tahiti. The Americans control Hawaii. Before that the Tahitians and Hawaiians had no need for a law against theft since they had no concept of personal property. Why is it so hard for you to grasp this?

Originally Posted by boxcar

The Golden Rule has nothing to do with enforcement. It has to do with how people should treat one another. Or even more specifically, how we should love our neighbor, i.e. people with whom we come into personal contact. The Rule is universally valid because no one wants to be treated poorly.

In effect the Tahitians and Hawaiians practiced the golden rule in spades. What did it get them? Nothing! They learned about personal property and theft as victims.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Therefore, it is an absolute, objective, universal truth.

No, it's not. It's "do this and hope for the best."

Originally Posted by boxcar

Why can't someone steal the guy's program? Or why can't someone steal the guy's system and write his own computer code for it, so that the system is computerized?

Writing your own code for the same algorithm is perfectly legal as long as what's input from the keyboard/mouse and what's output to the screen has a different "look and feel" than the original. You don't understand that? Neither did SCOTUS.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

No, because the Tahitians and Hawaiians no longer rule. By the rule of conquest the French control Tahiti. The Americans control Hawaii. Before that the Tahitians and Hawaiians had no need for a law against theft since they had no concept of personal property. Why is it so hard for you to grasp this?

In effect the Tahitians and Hawaiians practiced the golden rule in spades. What did it get them? Nothing! They learned about personal property and theft as victims.

No, it's not. It's "do this and hope for the best."

Writing your own code for the same algorithm is perfectly legal as long as what's input from the keyboard/mouse and what's output to the screen has a different "look and feel" than the original. You don't understand that? Neither did SCOTUS.

No! The Golden Rule, as stated in the bible is absolute truth. Give me some examples of people who relish being victims of wrongdoing.

By the way, did the Tahitians have any laws for themselves? Or each person was autonomous -- a law unto himself? You say, they practiced the Golden Rule, but how do you know that?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

No! The Golden Rule, as stated in the bible is absolute truth. Give me some examples of people who relish being victims of wrongdoing.

The masochist. He sometimes PAYS so he could have harm and humiliation inflicted upon him.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

The masochist. He sometimes PAYS so he could have harm and humiliation inflicted upon him.

And is that mental sickness the norm of the world? Are you saying that you and the rest of the world gladly welcome harm, injury, distress, anxiety to be exerted upon the sons of men?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You say, they practiced the Golden Rule, but how do you know that?

How could a person who runs around naked all day, has consensual sex with dozens of eager partners, shares all his food with whomever, and helps care for all of societies children, not be practicing the golden rule?

I'd say they didn't have to practice the golden rule because they had it down pat.

I've lost track of what any of this has to do with religion.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

And is that mental sickness the norm of the world?

Who cares what the norm is? If it feels good, do it.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

And is that mental sickness the norm of the world? Are you saying that you and the rest of the world gladly welcome harm, injury, distress, anxiety to be exerted upon the sons of men?

I can't speak for the rest of the world...but it's obvious to me that I welcome some "distress" in my life. Why else would I come here and willfully engage you in conversation?

[Actor]

I don't understand this question. To begin with ...

Originally Posted by boxcar

Why can't someone steal the guy's program?

How is someone going to do that? Go online and hack into the guy's computer? Doesn't the guy have antivirus?

Originally Posted by boxcar

Or why can't someone steal the guy's system ...

You mean steal the guy's algorithm? Algorithm's cannot be copyrighted, ergo, they are not intellectual property. If they are not property how can they be stolen.

Originally Posted by boxcar

... and write his own computer code for it ...

Perfectly legal as long as it has a different "look and feel."

Originally Posted by boxcar

...so that the system is computerized?

I though it was already computerized.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

I can't speak for the rest of the world...but it's obvious to me that I welcome some "distress" in my life. Why else would I come here and willfully engage you in conversation?

"No pain! No gain!" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

I don't understand this question. To begin with ...

How is someone going to do that? Go online and hack into the guy's computer? Doesn't the guy have antivirus?

You mean steal the guy's algorithm? Algorithm's cannot be copyrighted, ergo, they are not intellectual property. If they are not property how can they be stolen.

Perfectly legal as long as it has a different "look and feel."

I though it was already computerized.

Does intellectual property have to be computerized?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

I can't speak for the rest of the world...but it's obvious to me that I welcome some "distress" in my life. Why else would I come here and willfully engage you in conversation?

Then you should seek some professional help.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Who cares what the norm is? If it feels good, do it.

So if Antifa comes and blows up your home because it makes them feel good, you're okay with that? Maybe there are more sick masochists in this world than I figured.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Then you should seek some professional help.

Ad hominem!