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10-08-2018, 12:47 PM
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Lasix
I hate to say it but where there's dope there's hope
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10-22-2018, 10:09 PM
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Colebrook is usually live at keeneland
I think he won 5 there last year
3 so far this year
Last edited by phattty; 10-22-2018 at 10:12 PM.
Reason: Mid typed
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10-23-2018, 07:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
First time lasix was the real deal in both this race and the Alcibiades on Friday. Three two year olds got it, two winners and a runner up.
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Is it lasix or the stuff that they give with it that produces the speed?
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10-24-2018, 12:23 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansan
I hate to say it but where there's dope there's hope
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I like that!
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10-24-2018, 01:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperson
Is it lasix or the stuff that they give with it that produces the speed?
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Jas, check out this article. Per the article I don't see Lasix chemically enhancing or contributing to actual horse speed increase.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-...he-medication/
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10-24-2018, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rubicon55
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There are varying opinions, but at the very least giving.lasix reduces weight and that alone increases speed.
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10-24-2018, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
There are varying opinions, but at the very least giving.lasix reduces weight and that alone increases speed.
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Yes that is true, hearing that dehydration can also be a health issue due to using too much.
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10-24-2018, 03:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon55
Yes that is true, hearing that dehydration can also be a health issue due to using too much.
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Right. It is a very potent diuretic and with horses it causes them to pee out important electrolytes such as phosphorus and calcium. A big problem is that horses can only absorb a limited amount of these from supplements so horses that race on Lasix, pretty much all horses in North America, can have deficiencies in these nutrients required for bone and joint health, even when given supplements. Considering that racing puts a tremendous strain on bones and joints, we have a serious problem here.
Another possible problem with Lasix is that it may dilute the concentration of performance enhancing drugs in the urine and act as a masking agent.
Last edited by bobphilo; 10-24-2018 at 03:07 PM.
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10-25-2018, 12:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobphilo
This is in keeping with studies which show that Lasix is a PED and should be treated as such, unless one believes that all these horses were previous bleeders despite showing no signs of the condition.
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I remember a discussion about lasix here once, and I seem to remember one of the trainer types saying that if the trainer can show a risk of bleeding, they are entitled to use lasix.
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10-25-2018, 04:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ultracapper
I remember a discussion about lasix here once, and I seem to remember one of the trainer types saying that if the trainer can show a risk of bleeding, they are entitled to use lasix.
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Not so. Most horses on Lasix never gave any indication of bleeding. Trainers claim they are using it prophylactically. The thing is that it has never been proven to prevent bleeding in any scientific study. It's all speculation. In fact, one study showed it was ineffective.
Last edited by bobphilo; 10-25-2018 at 04:35 AM.
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