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Old 08-09-2014, 09:23 AM   #166
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Good post. This all has to do with Christie's presidential aspirations. He doesn't want to piss off Sheldon.
Override Christie. Trouble is the NJ state Republican leaders who live near Monmouth Park like Joe Kyrillos, Jennifer Beck, Declan O'Scanlan, Sean Kean, Bob Singer don't the courage to override Christie.
Hill will be gone from MP faster than most jersey breds run 6f should sw at casinos and racetracks get defeated.
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Old 08-09-2014, 11:13 AM   #167
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Define hypocrisy....very easy...here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedel...-in-43-states/

The NFL is saying it's ok to WIN MONEY using NFL players and based on their perfomances in their games, but it's not ok to place a bet. I don't know what else to say. I believe they are trying to say that because fantasy football is more a game of skill than chance, it's ok to bet on.....oops...i mean.....pay an entry fee and hope to win money. I guess betting is all chance and no skill. They are ridiculous!!!!
The NFL makes big bucks on marketing of fantasy football leagues that use their NFL logo or any references to the NFL.
Look, it's all a bunch of hypocrisy.
In my view, any time one places invests or transfers funds for the sole purpose of return on investment based on prior performance is in effect "gambling"...
The fact is, "gambling" has been pigeon holed into a perception of the seedy smoky gambling hall where "undesirables", drunkards,etc frequented.
Of course religious fanatics and right wing politicians in bed with them to solidify their voting base consistently legislate against "gambling". Why? Because "gambling" is viewed as dirty.
Now, if someone does their research, perhaps seeking the advice of experts takes their money for the purpose of speculating on the outcome of the day's, weeks or month's trading.All perfectly legal no matter in which states one resides... Meanwhile, that same person, after doing research( handicapping) and placing a wager( investment) on the outcome of a sporting event. That person may only do this in certain places.
Total hypocrisy.
Oh...Meanwhile the Brits can walk ten paces to the nearest betting parlour and if there is a line, place a bet on which of two cockroaches can make it across the sidewalk without getting squashed.
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Old 08-09-2014, 11:21 AM   #168
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That's your view..
I see the logic in this veto...
it's a Win win for Christie.
Here's why..
As a politician, Christie gets to look good to his GOP base. He impresses GOP donors.
The other point is, if the NJ Legislature over rides the veto, Christie comes out unscathed as he gets to use his veto as part of any campaign information or ads his campaign may use.
The veto is political strategy done well.
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:10 PM   #169
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Christie is an100-1 shot for the republician. No chance, rudy guilani jr,

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There are still people who believe that Christie believes in something?

He certainly is flexible for a human blimp
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Old 08-09-2014, 03:17 PM   #171
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There are still people who believe that Christie believes in something?

He certainly is flexible for a human blimp
Christie is what you get when someone practices "rational self-interest". He is Richard Nixon without the paranoia (so far anyway).
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:43 PM   #172
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Good post. This all has to do with Christie's presidential aspirations. He doesn't want to piss off Sheldon.
Override Christie. Trouble is the NJ state Republican leaders who live near Monmouth Park like Joe Kyrillos, Jennifer Beck, Declan O'Scanlan, Sean Kean, Bob Singer don't the courage to override Christie.
I suppose the gov could signal to the senate and assembly republicans that an override would carry no negative implications. Understand that political aspirations may have driven the bus here but also think the Gov's aversion to legalized pot may have had something to do with this. It would be a lot harder to say no to pot after saying yes to sports betting, and that may be why all the language on Federal laws being "sacrosanct"
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:51 PM   #173
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As a politician, Christie gets to look good to his GOP base. He impresses GOP donors.
Perhaps, but Adelson owns casinos. He can't play any morality card. For him, sports betting in a locale where he doesn't own casinos is just bad business.
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BKS, you are so right about Adelson. It is ridiculous the money he pours out on campaigns. Christie took politics one step further. In his veto Christie intriguingly adds that he “remains open to exploring legally sound” new approaches to bringing sports betting to the state. He said the Third Circuit opinion “may not have foreclosed all legal avenues for permitting sports wagering within the state.” This may be a secret wink to the Republicans in the NJ legislature not to vote to override because we will look into a better way (Which of course is ridiculous, as NJ has done everything they could thru the legal process). Should be interesting.

I've already sent a tweet to Senator Jennifer Beck, who represents the Monmouth Park district and told her to stand up for her district and vote to override the veto. Also told her to tell her fellow Republican constituents to do the same. I'm gonna sent a tweet out to all Republican Senators and Assemblymen and tell them to do the same. Probably won't matter, as they are more afraid of Christie's wrath than the citizens they represent.
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Gov. Chris Christie has vetoed a bill Monmouth Park officials hoped would spur the legalization of sports betting in New Jersey.
Bill S-2250 sponsored by Sen. Raymond Lesniak, D-Union, and Assemblyman Ronald Dancer, R-Ocean, would have partially repealed prohibitions against sports wagering at racetracks and casinos in the state. The logic had racetrack and casino operators then opening sports books that could take bets without federal interference.
Christie attached comments to the bill in which he said he is “open to exploring legally sound ways to let the state’s casinos and racetracks offer sports wagering.’’
He called the pending legislation “a novel attempt to circumvent the Third Circuit court’s ruling’’ that federal law prevented implementation of New Jersey’s 2012 law authorizing sports wagering.
“Ignoring federal law, rather than working to reform federal standards, is counter to our democratic traditions and inconsistent with the Constitutional values I have sworn to defend and protect,’’ he said.

The veto marks a dead end to several years of efforts on sports betting, and could threaten Monmouth Park’s sponsorship deal with United Kingdom bookmaker William Hill.
Track officials say William Hill has given Monmouth Park $1 million during the past two years for sponsorship of the Haskell Invitational. Part of the deal includes building out and operating a Las Vegas-style sports book in exchange for 50 percent of the profits from it upon legalization of sports betting.
Gov. Chris Christie explained his veto perfectly, I don't see what all the noise is about. This has nothing to do with money from donors or anything else except what the Gov. stated.
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Gov. Chris Christie explained his veto perfectly, I don't see what all the noise is about. This has nothing to do with money from donors or anything else except what the Gov. stated.
LOL, the veto everything has to do with politics.

Christie does NOTHING without looking
at the political ramifications.

He might be right or wrong with his explanation but his overriding interest isn't what's best for Jersey, but what's best for Christie.

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Old 08-10-2014, 02:34 PM   #177
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mgoldie1- Thank you for your efforts.
SandyW- OMG FISH ON!!!
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LOL, the veto everything has to do with politics.

Christie does NOTHING without looking
at the political ramifications.

He might be right or wrong with his explanation but his overriding interest isn't what's best for Jersey, but what's best for Christie.

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I guess the truth hurts, sports betting in New Jersey has as much of a chance of becoming a reality as someone hitting the power ball lottery.
As I said before never is a long time, but for sure not in the next 15 to 20 years.
Cristie takes legal advice from his lawyers, he did not make this decision on his own.
Why pass something when he and his people know that the Feds will get an injunction the minute he would have signed a bill that has zero chance of becoming a law without problems.

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Old 08-10-2014, 07:46 PM   #179
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I guess the truth hurts, sports betting in New Jersey has as much of a chance of becoming a reality as someone hitting the power ball lottery.
As I said before never is a long time, but for sure not in the next 15 to 20 years.
Cristie takes legal advice from his lawyers, he did not make this decision on his own.
Why pass something when he and his people know that the Feds will get an injunction the minute he would have signed a bill that has zero chance of becoming a law without problems.
Yes, god forbid anyone bet on a sporting event while they're drinking alcohol (legal) and smoking dope (legally)
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Yes, god forbid anyone bet on a sporting event while they're drinking alcohol (legal) and smoking dope (legally)
Your comment has no bearing on the issue, New Jersey had their chance to have sports betting years ago and blew it.
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