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Old 01-31-2018, 08:43 PM   #61
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I think most will agree that the racing secretary performs one of the most important jobs in this game. Consequently, when such an important person is fired and banned from the track, then this is the sort of perplexing development that the betting customer should be fully informed about...given the game's already tarnished reputation. By refusing to comment on this issue, the NYRA is arrogantly telling the customer to just "shut up and bet"...and I don't think the customer should comply. Where are the racing "consumer protection" organizations...now that we need them?
When's the last time you saw a company comment on an employee that has had this happen to them?

Usually it's "we don't comment on an ongoing investigation" Which is how it should be...otherwise, there is the potential for legal issues for the commenting company...capisce?

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Old 01-31-2018, 08:44 PM   #62
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This is basically how I view things.

Plus, NYRA is a public trust which has been granted extraordinary privileges by the government. So even ordinary taxpayers are entitled to a full explanation.
And you said you were a lawyer, right?

Would you advise NYRA to publicly comment on an ongoing investigation? Really man?
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:16 PM   #63
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When's the last time you saw a company comment on an employee that has had this happen to them?

Usually it's "we don't comment on an ongoing investigation" Which is how it should be...otherwise, there is the potential for legal issues for the commenting company...capisce?
"As this is a personnel matter, we won't be commenting any further.", NYRA spokesman Pat McKenna said in the link that you posted. Which of course means that the NYRA has no inclination to release further information about this, even when the investigation is "complete". McKenna said nothing about keeping silent because of the "ongoing investigation"; SALVATO was the one who used that excuse...since he couldn't very well be expected to reveal the impropriety that he is charged with.

The NYRA is obviously of the opinion that this is the sort of "personnel decision" that the betting customer should be kept in the dark about. Are you of the same opinion, Mr. PA?
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:12 PM   #64
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I might be wrong, but most businesses refuse to comment on why someone was let go. They will usually only go so far as to confirm the person actually worked there...

Anyway, I don't see how this is so unusual. If he's charged with a crime, I'm sure we'll all know the reason soon enough.

If he's not charged with a crime, why would the public have a right to know?
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:23 PM   #65
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I might be wrong, but most businesses refuse to comment on why someone was let go. They will usually only go so far as to confirm the person actually worked there...

Anyway, I don't see how this is so unusual. If he's charged with a crime, I'm sure we'll all know the reason soon enough.

If he's not charged with a crime, why would the public have a right to know?
Does NYRA get public funds? That would be the only reason.
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:37 PM   #66
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If what happened affected the racing in New York, or was illegal, the public has a right to know. If not, there is no reason for it to be released.
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I might be wrong, but most businesses refuse to comment on why someone was let go. They will usually only go so far as to confirm the person actually worked there...

Anyway, I don't see how this is so unusual. If he's charged with a crime, I'm sure we'll all know the reason soon enough.

If he's not charged with a crime, why would the public have a right to know?
This person wasn't just fired. He was banned from stepping foot on the NYRA properties. That indicates, at least to me, that something improper either happened or was suspected. Maybe it was entirely personal, like he lost his temper and slugged a jockey agent in the nose. That's likely to end up in Indian Charlie, but you're right then, we don't need to know that or have really the right to know that.

But given his position and how it could've affected bettors, trainers, and owners, I do think they are in a position to clarify at least if what happened did or did not affect them in any way.

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Does NYRA get public funds? That would be the only reason.
What about the fact that the betting public has wagered many millions of dollars on the cards that this person has put together? Does this demand some sort of "explanation" about his sudden dismissal...and banning from the grounds?
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Shouldn't our esteemed racing media outlets all across the country and on the web be investigating this and have the answer by now?

Shouldn't The Paulick Report have cracked this case by now?

I mean, it's not like a racing office is the height of national security...somebody is bound to talk...maybe they haven't been asked?

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Shouldn't our esteemed racing media outlets all across the country and on the web be investigating this and have the answer by now?

Shouldn't The Paulick Report have cracked this case by now?

I mean, it's not like a racing office is the height of national security...somebody is bound to talk...maybe they haven't been asked?
And for a moment...you had me thinking that you were serious about this.
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Old 02-01-2018, 02:24 AM   #71
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Does NYRA get public funds? That would be the only reason.
NYRA has lost several court cases where they argued they aren't part of the government. As far as the law is concerned, they are absolutely a public agency.

Which means what private businesses do is irrelevant here. If NYRA thinks that the New York tracks should be subject to the rules of the private sector,, all they have to do is disband and allow the tracks to be sold to one.

NYRA, however, owes the public an explanation.
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And you said you were a lawyer, right?

Would you advise NYRA to publicly comment on an ongoing investigation? Really man?
If you mean as to why they ruled him off the grounds, they should be REQUIRED to comment, whether it exposes them to liability or not. They are a public agency.
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Even employees of public agencies have some rights.

I'm not buying this need-to-know business; it sounds like yet another whine about yet another example of past results perhaps deviating from expected expectations, therefore the customer is getting screwed and deserves an answer.

The truth will probably emerge eventually, or it may not. Makes no difference.
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NYRA has lost several court cases where they argued they aren't part of the government. As far as the law is concerned, they are absolutely a public agency.

Which means what private businesses do is irrelevant here. If NYRA thinks that the New York tracks should be subject to the rules of the private sector,, all they have to do is disband and allow the tracks to be sold to one.

NYRA, however, owes the public an explanation.
If you were representing this client would you like it if NYRA released any information before you had the chance to know the facts that led to your clients dismissal?
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If you were representing this client would you like it if NYRA released any information before you had the chance to know the facts that led to your clients dismissal?
IMO...the only ones who don't "know the facts" behind Salvato's dismissal are the BETTORS. And the NYRA would like it to remain this way.
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