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Old 12-29-2016, 11:56 AM   #301
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The final time in the chart is three seconds too fast according to the video replay, and if I had to pick one or the other I'd bet my house the video is much closer to the real time and probably accurate. I have no idea where the chart time came from.
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Old 12-29-2016, 01:26 PM   #302
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The final time in the chart is three seconds too fast according to the video replay, and if I had to pick one or the other I'd bet my house the video is much closer to the real time and probably accurate. I have no idea where the chart time came from.
It has been corrected now to 1:22.90.
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Old 12-29-2016, 05:07 PM   #303
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The first call in the last at TP last night is 2 seconds too fast.
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Old 12-30-2016, 03:06 PM   #304
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The first call in the last at TP last night is 2 seconds too fast.
Another that is just a typo too. Sad really, no reason these things aren't caught. Timer malfunctions are one thing but these are just carelessness. The QC is obviously inadequate.

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Old 01-04-2017, 02:20 PM   #305
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Think most are just made up out of thin air.

Portland 1-01-2017 race 3 - could have gotten a better final time with a sundial.
Mahoning 1-03-2017 race 3 - all wrong.

I think no times are better than wrong times.
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Old 01-04-2017, 02:26 PM   #306
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Another that is just a typo too. Sad really, no reason these things aren't caught. Timer malfunctions are one thing but these are just carelessness. The QC is obviously inadequate.
If a 2 SECOND mistake isn't noticed...then, how could a mistake of a couple of fifths of-a-second be noticed? And this, in a game where winning and losing are often separated by necks and noses.
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:15 PM   #307
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Think most are just made up out of thin air.

Portland 1-01-2017 race 3 - could have gotten a better final time with a sundial.
Mahoning 1-03-2017 race 3 - all wrong.

I think no times are better than wrong times.
These two tracks are serial offenders for malfunctions and ridiculous hand times.
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:18 PM   #308
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If a 2 SECOND mistake isn't noticed...then, how could a mistake of a couple of fifths of-a-second be noticed? And this, in a game where winning and losing are often separated by necks and noses.

Very true. I'm sure some slip by me for sure. I catch some of the smaller ones because I look at the race dynamics and the pace figures next to the speed figures so a few fifths can make a big difference, but still, there has to be a better way than just having a guy type them in and they are never checked. It is 2017 and we can't have the times automated into the Equibase system? I find that very hard to believe.
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:44 PM   #309
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Think most are just made up out of thin air.

Portland 1-01-2017 race 3 - could have gotten a better final time with a sundial.
Mahoning 1-03-2017 race 3 - all wrong.

I think no times are better than wrong times.
Race 3 at MVR ended up being hand times because #1 U and Tequila lost her jockey while on the lead near the quarter pole.

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I think the 22.0 on the teletimer is right and I made the second call 46.2. (chart shows NA)

Do you think the horse was a winner if the jock stayed on?

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Old 01-04-2017, 06:00 PM   #311
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I think the 22.0 on the teletimer is right and I made the second call 46.2. (chart shows NA)

Do you think the horse was a winner if the jock stayed on?
Charts I saw and my data feed don't have a half mile time. I agree the 22.0 is correct, jockey was still on at the point.

(I see you edited as I was posting, ignore )
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I think the 22.0 on the teletimer is right and I made the second call 46.2. (chart shows NA)

Do you think the horse was a winner if the jock stayed on?
Quinones loves to send horses ala Martin Pedroza or Pat Valenzuela. Put away #3 early. Eventual winner #4 and runner up #8 should have been closer to that pace. So I see a 3 horse photo. She did win easy without that pesky jock on her back though.

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Old 03-10-2017, 11:50 PM   #313
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I had wondered why 6 furlong splits are so much slower at Mahoning than the same leader(s) would post at 5 or 5.5 furlongs. At some other tracks, the longer straight-run (and no elbow factoring into the initial fraction) result in comparatively quicker splits at the 6 fur distance.

Last week Mahoning's clocker, a friend of mine, cleared up the mystery by informing me that the actual run-up at 6 furlongs there is nearly non-existent.

As for Mahoning's route fractions, I generally ignore them and rely strictly on visual observation and a race's apparent speed content.
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Old 03-11-2017, 07:45 AM   #314
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I had wondered why 6 furlong splits are so much slower at Mahoning than the same leader(s) would post at 5 or 5.5 furlongs. At some other tracks, the longer straight-run (and no elbow factoring into the initial fraction) result in comparatively quicker splits at the 6 fur distance.

Last week Mahoning's clocker, a friend of mine, cleared up the mystery by informing me that the actual run-up at 6 furlongs there is nearly non-existent.

As for Mahoning's route fractions, I generally ignore them and rely strictly on visual observation and a race's apparent speed content.
To further your point:

Average opening two quarter splits of winners so far this season =

6.0F - 23.55 - 23.91
5.5F - 22.75 - 24.38
5.0F - 22.58 - 24.67
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Old 05-03-2017, 07:39 PM   #315
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amazing that fonner park still times in 1/5ths; seems egregious
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