defrancis dash grade 1 who do you like

[cj]

Ah Day is way, way past his best. He has had several races with favorable set ups and has shown he just isn't good enough any more for this type race.

The horse followed a 7 month layoff with a poor race and another 6 month layoff. He hasn't come close to replicating his earlier ability, even when winning, in his next eight races.

[bisket]

Originally Posted by cj

Ah Day is way, way past his best. He has had several races with favorable set ups and has shown he just isn't good enough any more for this type race.

The horse followed a 7 month layoff with a poor race and another 6 month layoff. He hasn't come close to replicating his earlier ability, even when winning, in his next eight races.

and exactly which races did he get his set up and lose because i don't see them

[toetoe]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I forget which historical figure referred to another of his era as 'The Great Paradoxer', because the latter made the simple difficult in his exposition. To read even a few of your posts is to know what he meant.

Thanks for the flattery and the tip. I shall now reread as many of my posts as possible ... unless I don't. Please help me with an out-of-yer-@$$ diagnosis, Doctor. .

[cj]

Originally Posted by bisket

and exactly which races did he get his set up and lose because i don't see them

The Carter for one. But even in those he won when getting his set up as you say, he didn't run fast enough to beat quality stakes horses.

[toetoe]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The analysis today was a joke ... One would think this was obvious.

Are you Alec Baldwin, sir ?



My reasoning:

1) You are always right.

2) You know it, and you willingly share this knowledge.

3) You put the apostates, those that dare to disagree and/or fail to grasp your point, into their places.

4) You are a master of the subjunctive mood.



Sincerely,

Kitty Carlisle



P.S. Do I win ? Am I right ? . (:Squealing.)

[bisket]

Originally Posted by cj

The Carter for one. But even in those he won when getting his set up as you say, he didn't run fast enough to beat quality stakes horses.

this field was no better than the field he faced in the toboggan.

[o_crunk]

Originally Posted by bisket

ah day is breed and owned by king leatherbury, and i don't ever see leatherbury running him for a tag. he may continue to race him as long as he's competitive, but he's not going to chance losing him. he may not be a graded stakes horse anymore but he can still win races.

Ah Day was in for 100k tag in July at DEL.

[the_fat_man]

Field, in order of finish

CARTER

Kodiak Kowboy
Fabulous Strike
Driven By Success
Biker Boy
True Quality
Ah Day
Understatement
Tale of Ekati


TOBOGGAN

Ah Day
Eternal Star
Saint Daimon
Lucky Island
Driven By Success
Joey P.
West Coast Flier
Grand Champion
Place Your Bet


No doubt, not much difference in the quality of these fields.

[Imriledup]

This was a tough loss for the serious players who bet against a horrible 4-5 shot who figured to be shuffled from post 1 and get mud kicked in his face. He climbed on the turn and appeared done. Good win for the dummies who made this horse 4-5.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Imriledup

This was a tough loss for the serious players who bet against a horrible 4-5 shot who figured to be shuffled from post 1 and get mud kicked in his face. He climbed on the turn and appeared done. Good win for the dummies who made this horse 4-5.

Most smart handicappers knew not to try to beat this horse. It does not mean they bet on him. Your definition of a horrible 4 to 5 is vastly different from mine. He was by a ton the most talented horse in the field.

bisket, come on, you can't possibly compare those fields. The pace was very fast, fast enough that KK could run down Fabulous Strike, while Ah Day couldn't come close.

[CBedo]

Originally Posted by cj

Most smart handicappers knew not to try to beat this horse. It does not mean they bet on him. Your definition of a horrible 4 to 5 is vastly different from mine. He was by a ton the most talented horse in the field

For sure! If he hadn't been on the Laurel rail covered by a couple other speed horses and the track had been fast, 4/5 would have been a good bet.

[bisket]

i think you both misunderstood what i said. i said this field wasn't any better than THE TOBAGGAN field!!!!!! his race in the carter was just like his other race in the carter a few years back. i want to be sure i understand what you two are saying because trust me your gonna hear about it again. you are saying that vineyard haven is in the same league with kodiak cowboy and fabulous strike?

[o_crunk]

Originally Posted by bisket

i think you both misunderstood what i said. i said this field wasn't any better than THE TOBAGGAN field!!!!!! his race in the carter was just like his other race in the carter a few years back. i want to be sure i understand what you two are saying because trust me your gonna hear about it again. you are saying that vineyard haven is in the same league with kodiak cowboy and fabulous strike?

I'll say VH is in the same league as Fabulous Strike and Kodiak Kowboy.

Fabulous Strike is one of my favorites but he hasn't won a G1 this year. Earlier in the summer he ducked the added weight & Munnings at 7F in the Tom Fool. He lost to True Quality in February at Laurel. VH crushed True Quality yesterday and beat Munnings in the King's Bishop (off a layoff).

Kodiak Kowboy could be a different animal now after getting the change back to Assmussen and typical move up. His form was in and out under Larry Jones.

I don't see anyway VH would not be competitive against those two.

[bisket]

true quality didn't beat anyone yesterday
http://drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesIndex...=20091024&RN=9

[o_crunk]

Originally Posted by bisket

true quality didn't beat anyone yesterday
http://drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesIndex...=20091024&RN=9

Yeah, exactly.