Maximum Security DQ Question

[king kong]

Watch herding in N.Y. non calls all the time!

[parlay]

The jock said the horse shied from the sound of the crowd. Unfortunately for him he impeded horses because of their proximity to him. This was not floating, 3 horses were impeded, the 1 had a legitimate chance to win. Gaf said he thought he was going to win, he may have been wrong but we will never know, and no one can know. This was not bumping due to large field size, this was not race riding, this was a very unfortunate case of a horse not maintaining a reasonable path, almost bolting, and forcing hard checking of other entrants. Tough call, but the right one. Yes, it looked like he had plenty left and very well might have prevailed but that is not a consideration in this type of foul. If he had brushed a horse that was quitting, you can argue that he did not change the result. This was clearly a foul that affected the outcome of all "in the money positions".

[Tom]

Originally Posted by king kong

Watch herding in N.Y. non calls all the time!

Herding and grabbing. NY stewards are fools.
Or they bet.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by burnsy

And there’s bumping almost every year.

This was more than bumping. Watch the video again to see the hard kicks that WoW sustained to the point where it was a miracle that he was left standing.

Why are you making light of that by calling it "bumping"? We all know what bumping is. This was beyond that.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by AMPHAR

IMO, it was the wrong decision. In any sport it is a simple fact written rules can not and will never keep pace with video.

The NFL has let video replay control it’s game. Now the door is open for the derby. Now the sports mob can review in super slow mo question why isn’t this a foul? Why is that a foul and this isn’t? So on and so on.

For something that minor and with that much race left and that margin of victory horrible call.

American horse racing stewards have been using video to determine fouls since I first went to the races in 1975. Well before other sports used it.

And it wasn’t a minor foul, MS veered out and took WOW path away. A major foul and dangerous. What if WOW had clipped MS heels and went down. It would have been a calamity.

Allan

[BlueChip@DRF]

Originally Posted by king kong

Watch herding in N.Y. non calls all the time!

Last year's Belmont Stakes is a prime example.

[Niko]

Maybe someone can answer this for me - if a horse bolts or drifts out due to crowd noise, jumping a puddle or shadow (something beyond the jocks control) is that an automatic DQ if it puts another horse in harm's way (which it did) or significantly impedes another horse or is that part of racing?

If it's a DQ either way, I believe they made the right call. If it's not because the action is outside of the jockey's control that this was a terrible ruling (in my opinion - it didn't affect my wagering).

Either way, let's get some semblance of consistency.

If the Stewards don't deliver an in-depth overview of the decision according to the rule book for the DQ, (other than a safe press release), it's a shame for such a big public race.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by clicknow

This was more than bumping. Watch the video again to see the hard kicks that WoW sustained to the point where it was a miracle that he was left standing.

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[GaryG]

In 1933 there was this. Herb Fisher on Head Play and Don Meade on Brokers Tip. There was no camera, just four stewards with binoculars. Three of the four said Head Play won, but they were overruled by the chief steward. Fisher felt that the fact that Brokers Tip was owned by the renowned E R Bradley had something to do with it.

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[john del riccio]

I haven't watched many races this year, but always tune in for the Derby. As soon as they turned for home and I saw Maximum Security veer out, I uttered out loud "If he wins, he's coming down". Its unfortunate in a race of this magnitude but he clearly didn't keep a straight path.

If MS comes back and wins the next two legs of the triple crown, we will have a situation for sure.

Good Luck,
john

[BlueChip@DRF]

Originally Posted by john del riccio

I haven't watched many races this year, but always tune in for the Derby. As soon as they turned for home and I saw Maximum Security veer out, I uttered out loud "If he wins, he's coming down". Its unfortunate in a race of this magnitude but he clearly didn't keep a straight path.

If MS comes back and wins the next two legs of the triple crown, we will have a situation for sure.

Good Luck,
john

What, and risk getting DQ'd again?

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by john del riccio

If MS comes back and wins the next two legs of the triple crown, we will have a situation for sure.

Max Sec doesn't appear to be going to Preakness. From DRF:

“Right now, I don’t think we would consider running him in the Preakness,” Gary West, who owns Maximum Security with his wife, Mary, said Sunday. “He ran really, really hard yesterday, and not having a Triple Crown in play. it probably doesn’t make any sense to push the horse when you don’t have to do it.”

[GaryG]

Originally Posted by john del riccio

If MS comes back and wins the next two legs of the triple crown, we will have a situation for sure.

There was a similar situation in 1968. Derby Winner Dancers Image had bute in his system in the post race. Forward Pass, who was declared the winner two days later, won the Preakness setting up a possible tainted TC. Stage Door Johnny took care of that. Dancers Image never raced again after the Preakness and Bute was legal in Kentucky in 1974.

[clocker7]

I thought that it was very cool that NBC went overtime, caused the delay in the hockey game, and that the televised steward decision-making was being shown on the center ice scoreboard.

[jimmyb]

Count President Trump among the no's.


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