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Old 03-14-2018, 12:59 AM   #46
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Lots of Repubs voting for the Dem?

ďThe reason I put Lambís party ID in quotes is because heís all but unrecognizable as a Democrat. Heís pro-gun (opposed to a ban on assault weapons), personally pro-life, has nothing nice to say about Nancy Pelosi and nothing bad to say about Donald Trump. For all intents and purposes heís a moderate Republican, at least until the vote tonight is over. So who cares who wins this race?Ē

Interesting candidate. Also reading that Trump hated the Repub?
And whoever wins probably only holds the seat until November anyways due to the Penn Supreme Court ruling the House district map was gerrymandered unlawfully. So the winner from tonight might have to run again in a new district in November.
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And whoever wins probably only holds the seat until November anyways due to the Penn Supreme Court ruling the House district map was gerrymandered unlawfully. So the winner from tonight might have to run again in a new district in November.
Very good point Striker
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:19 AM   #48
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Part of this is just the normal circadian rhythm of American politics. The party in power loses seats in off year elections. That has been going on our entire lives. This year is no different.

But there is also a consequence to being an unpopular President. Those losses are going to be magnified if most of the electorate dislikes the poster boy for the party in power. Trumpís low ratings are easy to explain to anyone except one of his supporters. Iím done getting in useless arguments here so youíll just have to take my word that despite how you and many others feel, more of the country dislikes his leadership.

As to why this particular district swung so far in favor of Trump 2 years ago and is less enthusiastic today, Iíd say itís probably the same reason that a lot of people voted for Obama in 2008 and then a Republican in 2010. They wanted a change and then when faced with the concrete consequences of that change, reconsidered.
Why would he be unpopular in this district that voted for him? Those in this election that took place tonight. You keep telling me Trump won this place gangbusters. Trump's been exactly who they voted for...and the country IS doing well.

So why would it be TRUMP who turned these voters? Unless this really isn't a Republican district, but like a lot of "normally Democrat" places, decided to vote for Trump because they felt ignored by Clinton.

Was tonight's election in a staunch Republican district? They've always voted Republican, but all of a sudden tonight, they voted Dem (or close to it)?

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Old 03-14-2018, 01:20 AM   #49
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As to why this particular district swung so far in favor of Trump 2 years ago and is less enthusiastic today, Iíd say itís probably the same reason that a lot of people voted for Obama in 2008 and then a Republican in 2010. They wanted a change and then when faced with the concrete consequences of that change, reconsidered.
Yes, but why want a change? After a year? Is the economy going to shit? Do they have less in their paycheck? Unemployment soaring?

Why would they want a change all of a sudden.

Again, makes no sense.
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Yes, but why want a change? After a year? Is the economy going to shit? Do they have less in their paycheck? Unemployment soaring?

Why would they want a change all of a sudden.

Again, makes no sense.
1. One year of the trump presidency.

2. Lamb was a strong candidateópro union

3. Saccone was a weak candidate-anti union

Trump was polling 49% approval rating in the district.

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the loser republican spent $14 million, and more astonishing is that the democrat had to spend $4 million to defeat a guy that didn't belong in the race.

in the end, this guy Lamb is as close a spitting image to Trump as there is. but he might have won, but we all lost. when it takes that kind of money to persuade the voters you know the guys on the inside got something up their sleeves to fleece us out of our cash.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:56 AM   #52
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speak for yourself not the nation.

most the nation is happy with his firings, and its your opinion of his personality and class however thats not everyones opinion.


President Trump will win in 2020
i agree, but he might run as a democrat, he seems to be having to many problems with the republicans these days.
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1. One year of the trump presidency.

2. Lamb was a strong candidate—pro union

3. Saccone was a weak candidate-anti union

Trump was polling 49% approval rating in the district.

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1) Trump - these people voted for Trump...Trump is Trump...hasn't changed...and the world hasn't ended...USA doing pretty well actually...I still don't get how Trump can be a negative factor in a place that voted for Trump.

2) & 3) OK...that starts to make a little more sense

As for polls, I can't put much stock into them lately...
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:58 AM   #54
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The real takeaway of this, regardless of outcome at this point, is the GOP is gonna get trounced in the midterms.
Trounced might be too strong a word.Lamb was a solid candidate and he ran towards the center (pay attention DNC) and and I read an article somewhere (may have been here on PA) that the GOP was quite frustrated with Saccone-he was a blah candidate,and was getting addicted to GOP $$ and organization instead of raising money and organizing on his own. That being said, it is unusual if the party in power DOESN'T lose seats in Congress in the first midterms.People vote for change and if people do not see it right away, they'll go the other way.It may depend on how people in GOP districts feel about Trump.Since he's such a polarizing figure, things will need to be going very,very well for independents and mainline Republicans to vote GOP.Like the man said, good enough is never good enough.

Oh yeah and the DNC needs to treat Bubba and Hillary to a 6 month round-the-world-cruise starting in mid-May.
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Yes, but why want a change? After a year? Is the economy going to shit? Do they have less in their paycheck? Unemployment soaring?

Why would they want a change all of a sudden.

Again, makes no sense.
Independents that call themselves democrats that say they are pro-gun, pro-life, and anti-Nancy Pelosi, are going to do well in midterms. The question is if elected, how will they vote?

What does this say about the democrat party?
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Conor Lamb campaigned as a Veteran, said he was pro-gun, and promised to vote against Nancy Pelosi.

Rick Saccone is a Veteran and said the exact same things Lamb said about being pro-gun and voting against Pelosi.

The lone difference is Lamb is lying about both the gun issue and his no-Pelosi vote, imo.

Lamb simply ran a better Republican race than Saccone did.

That said, in all reality, by November of this year Lamb will become a footnote.

And even if Saccone wins today thanks to the uncounted votes, he's already a footnote.
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I ran into a solid Trump supporter yesterday that said ďnever againĒ

He was offended by the tweets and the constant White House Merry go round.

His entire reasoning was personality based. But he also said we have to go away from partisanship and have a moment of coming together. Thatís when I realized he doesnít understand the current climate.......end of discussion.
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I feel that's a fair assessment but...

- Trump did invest heavily in this race.

- Its steel country and Tariffs were enacted to protect that industry a week ago. Coincidental timing? Hardly.

- Trump made a campaign stop in favor of the GOP candidate over the weekend.

- Saccone wasn't a "bad" candidate and Lamb was a "good" one but that hardly explains the metrics that needed to be overcome.

- The district ALWAYS goes Republican.

The fact is the Republicans and the President put considerable resources into this campaign to lose another one. Imagine what this outcome might have been without the Tariff announcement and Pittsburgh visit.
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Here's a serious question for you guys who might know better than me.

You guys that crow about these areas that voted so heavily for Trump but are now backing away from Republicans.

Why do you think that is?

Is it Trump? He's NOT any DIFFERENT then the guy they voted for...they GOT what they VOTED for, pretty much...wouldn't you say?

So what is it? The country is doing quite well by all metrics since Trump took office.

So what is it? Serious, serious question. I'd love to know.

I'm pretty sure you guys will come up with SOME answer...but I'm guessing deep in your gut, you have not a clue why this would happen.

There is absolutely zero valid reason for it.
How blind or oblivious does one have to be to ask these questions. Of course people are sick of the tweets and lack of class your boy exhibits on a daily basis.

Your last line quoted above is priceless.
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when Trump becomes a democrat again you are going to love the tweets like i do.

the man is doing a tremendous job, leave him alone and let him tweet.
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