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11-09-2016, 11:13 AM
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A moment of clarity from Chris Matthews last night
I caught this from Matthews last night, and came away impressed:
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11-09-2016, 11:23 AM
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Matthews is a lot more knowledgeable about politics than he usually displays on MSNBC. He was a speech writer for Jimmy Carter and was Chief of Staff for Tip O'Neill when he was Speaker of the House.
Matthews used to do some good political analysis when he had his old show, Hardball, and was much less partisan.
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11-09-2016, 11:26 AM
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His most lucid, meaningful statements of all those that I watched all night. Must have been an advanced phase of grief to be finding perspective on-air and funneling anger in the right direction.
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11-09-2016, 11:29 AM
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Matthews is right-on about the illegal immigrants; they have been embraced by BOTH political parties. He is also right about our cities being devastated by the closure of the small businesses nationwide. But identifying a problem is one thing...and SOLVING it is another. The diagnosis is the EASY part...
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11-09-2016, 11:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
His most lucid, meaningful statements of all those that I watched all night. Must have been an advanced phase of grief to be finding perspective on-air and funneling anger in the right direction.
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It's easier to think clearly when you don't have a thrill running up your leg, short circuiting your brain.
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11-09-2016, 11:33 AM
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I don't think if Hillary had a "stronger" immigration policy it would have made any difference.
Barack Obama was the rock star to the black and youth vote, they came out for him in historic numbers. He won. Those numbers were not there for Hillary.
Donald Trump is the rock star for the white rural vote, they came out for him in historic numbers. He won.
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11-09-2016, 11:42 AM
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"White" appears to be the theme of the day in the left's post mortems of the election. Paul Krugman blamed the results on suppression of the black vote.
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11-09-2016, 12:32 PM
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Trump knew he wasn't going to get a large percentage of the black vote, but his strategy - the Democrats take you for granted and they aren't really doing anything for you anyway - was probably the best line of attack he could have taken.
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11-09-2016, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
His most lucid, meaningful statements of all those that I watched all night. Must have been an advanced phase of grief to be finding perspective on-air and funneling anger in the right direction.
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Death-bed confession?
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11-09-2016, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
I don't think if Hillary had a "stronger" immigration policy it would have made any difference.
Barack Obama was the rock star to the black and youth vote, they came out for him in historic numbers. He won. Those numbers were not there for Hillary.
Donald Trump is the rock star for the white rural vote, they came out for him in historic numbers. He won.
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You are clueless. Keep trying to justify to yourself while the nation passes you by. You ave no clue what the election was about, that is obvious. Americans were fed up with the failure of Obama for 8 years and Hillary promise a third term. More like a third rail
The one poll everyone kept denying was that over 70% though we were on the wrong path. That is Obama and Hillary. Losers.
Enough American Excellence woke up to put down the takers with their hands out, waiting for Uncle Sugar to wipe their butts for them.
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11-09-2016, 12:42 PM
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I think in retrospect the biggest issue was the selection of Supreme Court judges. Republicans (and independent conservatives) realized that they couldn't abide a potentially liberal court for a generation. Trump's flaws became secondary to the need to not have a Democrat make those calls. The other issues are significant. I just think the Supreme Court was the deciding issue for a lot of Republicans.
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11-09-2016, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
You are clueless. Keep trying to justify to yourself while the nation passes you by. You ave no clue what the election was about, that is obvious. Americans were fed up with the failure of Obama for 8 years and Hillary promise a third term.
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I quote the simple turnout numbers, and somehow that's "clueless"
Americans were so fed up with Obama that they elected him to a 2nd term and his outgoing popularity is record high
Let's have another poll - since we all know it's inevitable, how soon does Tom turn on Trump?
A) Today
B) Tomorrow
C) Obama hand shake at inauguration
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11-09-2016, 12:59 PM
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You still have no clue.
Of course we hold Trump to his promises.
If he fails, as Obama did, we get on him.
We didn't elect him Prom Queen.
Not a clue.
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11-09-2016, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing
I think in retrospect the biggest issue was the selection of Supreme Court judges. Republicans (and independent conservatives) realized that they couldn't abide a potentially liberal court for a generation. Trump's flaws became secondary to the need to not have a Democrat make those calls. The other issues are significant. I just think the Supreme Court was the deciding issue for a lot of Republicans.
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Wrong. The water cooler conversation was mostly about a choice. Hillary and the Clinton machine represented more of the same, conservatives rejected it. We all know and knew coworkers that have vaporized... Laid off and faded away. God only knows how they fared. Lost homes, lost their marriage, cut ties with friends in unnecessary embarrassment.
This was about change. It wasn't about trump. (As my pastor said, it's all about which toilet bowl you want to lick)....Neither is a good choice, but American workers have seen the carnage of the last eight years. No recovery, or at least lack of recovery, and a disconnected White House drove last night's results along with the prospect of more Clinton machine business as usual politics
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11-09-2016, 01:09 PM
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It was a joy watching that wimp close to tears, always hated him, ha,ha,ha.
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