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05-09-2018, 09:35 AM
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My kids should pay me back for everything I did, and I can't think of a better way than having them retire the debt we're going to leave them.
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To be fair, no one has tried to reduce the debt in our lifetime.
Had we not gotten the tax breaks, not a single $ would have gone to debt reduction now or ever.
The National Debt is the lifeblood of both parties - it is the giant rug they sweep everything underneath.
At least with the tax cuts, actual working CITIZENS get something for a change. 
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05-09-2018, 11:32 AM
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#10862
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Originally Posted by Tom
To be fair, no one has tried to reduce the debt in our lifetime.
Had we not gotten the tax breaks, not a single $ would have gone to debt reduction now or ever.
The National Debt is the lifeblood of both parties - it is the giant rug they sweep everything underneath.
At least with the tax cuts, actual working CITIZENS get something for a change. |
That hilariously pessimistic outlook is probably the best way I've seen it rationalized.
Good job Tom.
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05-09-2018, 05:42 PM
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Location: near Philadelphia
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
That hilariously pessimistic outlook is probably the best way I've seen it rationalized.
Good job Tom.
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Because you usually talk in circles I truly am not sure about this last posting of yours.
Does it mean that you (1) are against the Trump tax cuts; (2) are you saying these tax means have meant little or nothing to the person, the state and local governments, and even the economy?
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05-09-2018, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by reckless
Because you usually talk in circles I truly am not sure about this last posting of yours.
Does it mean that you (1) are against the Trump tax cuts; (2) are you saying these tax means have meant little or nothing to the person, the state and local governments, and even the economy?
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It was the pessimistic view that if we are going to spend ourselves into poverty and irrelevancy might as well give taxpaying citizens some of the perks along the way too...
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05-11-2018, 12:19 AM
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#10865
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
It was the pessimistic view that if we are going to spend ourselves into poverty and irrelevancy might as well give taxpaying citizens some of the perks along the way too...
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Taxpaying citizens getting a tax cut shouldn't be considered getting a perk.... it's the return of the taxpayer's money in the first place.
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05-11-2018, 12:45 AM
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#10866
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Location: New Hampshire
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
It was the pessimistic view that if we are going to spend ourselves into poverty and irrelevancy might as well give taxpaying citizens some of the perks along the way too...
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The only thing you have to focus on is the many have focused on our narrative, and your now with the few shoveling shit against the tide. People like their money, you can not sell your anything this year.
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05-11-2018, 10:28 AM
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It is OUR money.
Period.
End of discussion.
No debate.
You want to lower the debt, attack the trillions of $$$ of senseless waste perpetrated by BOTH parties.
Ending ALL salaries and benefits for elected officials would be a great place to start.
Sitting in Congress should be a "service" not a career path.
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05-11-2018, 11:05 AM
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#10868
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Beaverdam Virginia
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Originally Posted by Tom
It is OUR money.
Period.
End of discussion.
No debate.
You want to lower the debt, attack the trillions of $$$ of senseless waste perpetrated by BOTH parties.
Ending ALL salaries and benefits for elected officials would be a great place to start.
Sitting in Congress should be a "service" not a career path.
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Ever notice how many politicians acquire great wealth while in office? Their government salary seems to pale in comparison to their "other" sources of income.
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05-11-2018, 12:08 PM
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Blanket statement - prove me wrong.
EVERYONE in government is on the take.
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05-11-2018, 12:31 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Originally Posted by Tom
Blanket statement - prove me wrong.
EVERYONE in government is on the take.
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Odds are 1-20.
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05-11-2018, 01:11 PM
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Location: Beaverdam Virginia
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Originally Posted by Tom
Blanket statement - prove me wrong.
EVERYONE in government is on the take.
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I would be willing to bet most politicians would pay to stay in power once elected if that was an option. Instead of elections they could sell public offices to the highest bidder. Good way to reduce the debt and I bet corrupt practices would not increase much.
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05-17-2018, 02:55 PM
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#10873
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
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Hard to know who they're really polling.
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05-17-2018, 03:07 PM
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#10874
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
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That's really an indictment against all politicians. No one believes hardly any politicians are honest and trustworthy, so I assume that Trump is about average for a politician. I'm sure you're going to show me some Obama figure that is higher, and I don't doubt that. He ran a pretty tight cult, so he should have better numbers.
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05-17-2018, 03:42 PM
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#10875
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
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And his approval rating keeps going up Just imagine how high it would be if he was honest LOL
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