Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 5.00 average.
Old 08-29-2015, 07:20 PM   #16
onefast99
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 5,851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Crimbled?
Fell to the bottom?

He got passed, valiantly fought back and put away the horse who passed him, then got caught late.

Where was the mighty Texas Red?

If AP crumbled today, then a lot of other horses should be retiring tonight as well. On his worst day, they were nowhere to be found.

Race was reminiscent of Sec's loss in 73.....should HE have retired after that race?
Losing by a length today after traveling more miles than any other TC contender this year and giving America a chance to see a superstar is hardly a reason to now take cheap shots at how he was handled. Tom you couldn't have said it better he will always be the most recent TC winner until someone else does it. AP is and always will be a true champion.
__________________
Remember the NJ horseman got you here now do the right thing with the purses!
onefast99 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:21 PM   #17
buzzy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Crimbled?
Fell to the bottom?

He got passed, valiantly fought back and put away the horse who passed him, then got caught late.

Where was the mighty Texas Red?

If AP crumbled today, then a lot of other horses should be retiring tonight as well. On his worst day, they were nowhere to be found.

Race was reminiscent of Sec's loss in 73.....should HE have retired after that race?







well said.. he ran great in defeat...for those who had keen ice

Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 08-30-2015 at 02:05 PM.
buzzy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:23 PM   #18
chenoa
Registered User
 
chenoa's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 387
Zayat will always be a gambler. Instead of doing what was best for the horse, he gambled by going to Saratoga and lost. No sympathy is this jack ass.
__________________
Keepin' the game alive!!!
chenoa is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:25 PM   #19
onefast99
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 5,851
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenoa
Zayat will always be a gambler. Instead of doing what was best for the horse, he gambled by going to Saratoga and lost. No sympathy is this jack ass.
Jackass? He wanted everyone to enjoy his horse. He lost by a length after flying 9000 miles in 21 days.
__________________
Remember the NJ horseman got you here now do the right thing with the purses!
onefast99 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:39 PM   #20
charm city whizz
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 302
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenoa
Zayat will always be a gambler. Instead of doing what was best for the horse, he gambled by going to Saratoga and lost. No sympathy is this jack ass.
Clueless
charm city whizz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:44 PM   #21
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyC
AP is no different than any other horse when it comes to feeling the affects of a hard long grueling campaign. He has been in training since March and finally showed a little wear and tear. Personally I don't think he has the time to freshen and regain his top form and win the BC.
Greuling?

I invite you to look at the past performances of War Admiral, Whirlaway, Citation, Secretariat, or Affirmed.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:56 PM   #22
letswastemoney
Registered User
 
letswastemoney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,207
I thought they should have stayed home and waited for the Awesome Again. But, according to most, the connections know better.

He could be one of the best ever. I'd prefer to see him beat older horses first before concluding that.
letswastemoney is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 07:57 PM   #23
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
He is gonna retire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DRFGrenin...48487975792640
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:01 PM   #24
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Greuling?

I invite you to look at the past performances of War Admiral, Whirlaway, Citation, Secretariat, or Affirmed.
Different game now. You think the Babe would hit 60 HRs today?
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:11 PM   #25
Kash$
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,132
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kash$
We wont see him again..
Twitter
Grening reporting Zayat has a gut feeling he should retire AP..
I said it as soon as Keen Ice went by..

Last edited by Kash$; 08-29-2015 at 08:14 PM.
Kash$ is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:11 PM   #26
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Different game now. You think the Babe would hit 60 HRs today?
If horses were really more fragile, we wouldn't see claimers with 15 starts a year and long careers.

Horses are more valuable for breeding, not more fragile. American Pharoah could have surely raced a lot more and would have back in the day.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:12 PM   #27
dirty moose
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 414
Some of you fellas sound real ignorant or dumb.... Maybe you should watch the race again and see how much fight he had as he "crumbled"

@chenoa, Would you rather them find a softer spot for the horse..... Then you'd just be saying "another ez spot for AP to pick up a paycheck." You can't win around here.
dirty moose is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:18 PM   #28
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
If horses were really more fragile, we wouldn't see claimers with 15 starts a year and long careers.

Horses are more valuable for breeding, not more fragile. American Pharoah could have surely raced a lot more and would have back in the day.
I agree, but horsemen do it differently so the comparisons are pointless.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:22 PM   #29
Redboard
$2 Showbettor
 
Redboard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: The Villages
Posts: 2,574
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
That's a perplexing statement. They've been saying all along that the BCC would be their final race. Now, because he came in 2nd, they're going to retire him?

Sires have a slightly higher value, in the minds of some people, when they retire healthy and not because of an injury.
hhhhhmmmmmmm
Redboard is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 08-29-2015, 08:26 PM   #30
thaskalos
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,390
The economics which govern today's sport make it highly unlikely that the Pharoah will run another race. I was one of those who always doubted that he belonged among the true "elites" of this sport...but I am not ready to accept the original poster's opinion here, that "the Pharoah was put to the test, and crumbled". The horse was a breath of fresh air...which breathed some life into the sport at a time when it badly needed it.

He may not have been the second-coming of Secretariat...but he gave goosebumps even to some jaded and grizzled horseplayers. And that, IMO...is good enough.
__________________
Live to play another day.
thaskalos is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.