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10-31-2011, 04:20 PM
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Alternate idea. I just closed my account with TwinSpires. If every Texan with an ADW closed their accounts maybe the ADW's themselves would challenge the state to revoke this bill. I have no idea how many Texas account holders there are but this would have to take some kind of chunk out of the bottom line.
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10-31-2011, 04:54 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by RainMan
Alternate idea. I just closed my account with TwinSpires. If every Texan with an ADW closed their accounts maybe the ADW's themselves would challenge the state to revoke this bill. I have no idea how many Texas account holders there are but this would have to take some kind of chunk out of the bottom line.
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You have a gross misunderstanding of how State Lawmakers work. They don't give a shit about an ADW. The ADW isn't going to "challenge" the state because they know that the lawmakers could give a rat's proverbial ass about them.
ADW's aren't in the business of challenging state lawmakers. What would you recommend they do? Open a lobbying division, employee high paid employees to pursue this issue? Therefore going millions of dollars in debt just to nip at the heels of some Texas State lawmakers boots ?
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10-31-2011, 05:05 PM
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Next, they will want to ban Internet Poker......Oh, wait......that was someone else.
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10-31-2011, 05:15 PM
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I advocate just the opposite... open an account with an ADW outside of Texas and never step foot in a Texas track until this silly law is rescinded. The law is supposed to work for people not against them. Who benefits from this law? Who is behind this law?
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Alternate idea. I just closed my account with TwinSpires. If every Texan with an ADW closed their accounts maybe the ADW's themselves would challenge the state to revoke this bill. I have no idea how many Texas account holders there are but this would have to take some kind of chunk out of the bottom line.
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10-31-2011, 05:19 PM
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i wonder what everyone thinks mitt romney will do once he gets in?
maybe he has changed his stance on gambling, but he has hated all forms of gambling for years, at least 30 years that i know of.
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10-31-2011, 05:29 PM
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i wonder what everyone thinks mitt romney will do once he gets in?
maybe he has changed his stance on gambling, but he has hated all forms of gambling for years, at least 30 years that i know of.
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Presidents have a harder time passing domestic legislation. So not too concerned there. I don't know what his foreign policies are.
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10-31-2011, 05:40 PM
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I believe the Mormon Church opposes gambling and the church have been part of the efforts to oppose gambling and legislation that would legalize gambling. Do not know what the plastic mans position is on this subject. Depends probably where he is speaking, Las Vegas or Salt Lake City.
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10-31-2011, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by riskman
I believe the Mormon Church opposes gambling and the church have been part of the efforts to oppose gambling and legislation that would legalize gambling. Do not know what the plastic mans position is on this subject. Depends probably where he is speaking, Las Vegas or Salt Lake City.
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i am sure mitt will do whatever is right, right for him that is,
he is truly an amazing man, one minute he sticks the state of massachusetts with health insurance reform, the next words out of his mouth are that he is against reform on a national level. i guess its only good to stick me with his retaurded plan because he didn't even want to run for re-election as the governor here. he ran out of here faster than abner haynes ran down the football field to catch a pass.
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10-31-2011, 06:54 PM
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I attended a legal conference on horse racing a couple of years ago in Lexington, KY. One racing attorney asked a rhetorical question... "How many people in the u.S. have been arrested for betting online?"
The attorney general of my state told me that even though it is technically illegal to bet online in Connecticut I would not be arrested.
This is a power struggle between the tracks and ADWs. They are willing to screw the players in order to get their way. So the best thing to do might be to boycott Texas tracks. I've already boycotted California. No big deal to boycott Texas.
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How is that working out for you? Has California dropped its take out rates?
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10-31-2011, 07:23 PM
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How is that working out for you? Has California dropped its take out rates?
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It's worked out well, so far. I haven't missed betting there at all.
I don't know if they dropped their takeout rates. I haven't checked and am not particularly interested, to be honest.
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10-31-2011, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by raybo
Yeah. Trying to be a nice guy hasn't been working, it's time to organize a huge boycott. If states, tracks, the industry, etc., won't listen to suggestions, then maybe they'll listen to money going away.
They can shut down Texas tracks, I can't bet them anyway unless I want to travel almost 100 miles to the track, and I ain't gonna do that, just so I can sit there and get inundated with all the worthless crap one has to put up with.
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Hello Ray, aren't there any OTB near where you live? I am real sorry for what's going on out there in Texas
Last edited by mannyberrios; 10-31-2011 at 09:39 PM.
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11-01-2011, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
i wonder what everyone thinks mitt romney will do once he gets in?
maybe he has changed his stance on gambling, but he has hated all forms of gambling for years, at least 30 years that i know of.
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What difference does it make? Democrats had control of the White house and Congress from 2008-2010 and nothing changed as far as expanded gambling goes (online or not). With that in mind, Mitt Romney will make no difference either way.
This whole myth that Republicans are somehow bad for gambling is just that ...a myth! They are no better or worse than Dems.
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11-01-2011, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mannyberrios
Hello Ray, aren't there any OTB near where you live? I am real sorry for what's going on out there in Texas
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To my knowledge, there are no OTBs in Texas.
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11-01-2011, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
What difference does it make? Democrats had control of the White house and Congress from 2008-2010 and nothing changed as far as expanded gambling goes (online or not). With that in mind, Mitt Romney will make no difference either way.
This whole myth that Republicans are somehow bad for gambling is just that ...a myth! They are no better or worse than Dems.
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Agree 100% Florida could be a prime example. They want to expand gambling and both houses are in control by republicans. It's all about additional revenue in this economy both sides have to look at it to reduce the states budget deficits.
Does anyone actually think Reid and Heller aren't on the same page when it comes to gambling?
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11-01-2011, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
I realize that this is a very unpopular opinion but:
I'm convinced the reason for the sorry state of the sport is because there is OTB.
If folks don't start going to the track again horse racing is done.
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By that logic, online poker should've destroyed brick and mortar poker. It didn't, and it actually increased brick and mortar poker playing.
The idea that people will go to the track on a Tuesday and bet as much as they would online is ridiculous. I love reading the comments from people who will stop betting if they can't bet online. I'm in the same boat. Like most horseplayers, I have a day-job. I can find the time to put bets in online, but there's no chance that I'll be able to head to the track every day to put in bets.
Dave said it very well earlier in this thread. Progress happens and this industry needs to advance rather than trying to get things back the way they were in the "good old days".
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