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Old 05-19-2016, 02:23 PM   #31
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I was positively impacted by this winner. However, I'm still not happy about it. Just not right).
I have revved up among others and it hurt for all of 10 minutes finding this out. I'm over it but if I had a horse in the race I would be through the roof. Purse money should be taken away at the least. I don't know what else can be done, but this looks real bad.
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Old 05-19-2016, 05:02 PM   #32
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I don't accept that they weren't "trying to hide anything" until it is established that not one person connected with that horse cashed a winning mutuel ticket on him at 16 to 1.

If anyone did, that's guilt enough for me.

The owners sent a press release to just about all racing media outlets in the country, which was picked up and published by many of them. In fact I would guess that the reason this has become such an issue is the very presence of the press releases stating that it had won races in China.

The facts are, that the horse could have won 20 races where it did but the current Jockey Club rules would still treat the runner as a maiden, no matter how many times connections would point to its record.
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Old 05-19-2016, 05:32 PM   #33
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Why give ANYONE the benefit of the doubt?
Horses racing integrity is it's most important asset.

This is NOT the WWE here....time to act like there is still some integrity left.

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Old 05-19-2016, 06:29 PM   #34
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Jesus...can't fault Pletcher here. The blame has to go to NYRA. What a joke they are...
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Old 05-19-2016, 06:34 PM   #35
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I have revved up among others and it hurt for all of 10 minutes finding this out. I'm over it but if I had a horse in the race I would be through the roof. Purse money should be taken away at the least. I don't know what else can be done, but this looks real bad.
I would be too. Call me obtuse but I though a maiden was a horse who never won before, anywhere.
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Old 05-19-2016, 07:05 PM   #36
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Jesus...can't fault Pletcher here. The blame has to go to NYRA. What a joke they are...
NYRA? How the hell would they know the horse's pps from China if they weren't at Equibase/Jockey Club? If someone at NYRA did read and remember the press release, and then inquired with the JC, then they'd have been told those races didn't count and he was a maiden here. And this was after the horse had already run another time in the country at another track without those China races counting then either.
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Old 05-20-2016, 02:17 PM   #37
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It's ultimately up to the racing office to make sure a horse is eligible for a race.

A trainer can enter wherever and whomever he wants. Maybe he gets fined if he enters a horse that isn't eligible. But it's the racing office's job to make sure the horses that are going to the gate are actually eligible for the race.

With that said, I don't think I can really fault the racing office in this case. All available records here in the US did not show this horse as a winner in China.

I'm pretty sure online articles don't count as official racing records, and I don't think racing office officials are required to consult the Paulick Report for every horse in the entry box.

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Old 05-20-2016, 03:10 PM   #38
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Kind of amazing that with all the people on the NYRA staff, including the on air talent, not one of them read or remembered that article?

I never saw it in the first place.
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Old 05-20-2016, 03:30 PM   #39
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Obviously, the system doesn't work.
IS it the Jockey Club's responsibility?
Has anyone been fired there?
Have they done ANYTHING to fix the problem since it was discovered?

MY guess......they don't even give crap. This industry is run by the lowest level of competence. And it shows every day.

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Old 05-20-2016, 03:37 PM   #40
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That's over the top...even for you...
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:05 PM   #41
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Timing, actual distances, now did a horse win.
The game is racing. Are the people who run it aware of that?

In the REAL world, this kind of crap is just not tolerated.

I just ran a new top. Maybe a big move is coming......
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:11 PM   #42
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Amazing.
This game never ceases to amaze me.
We can't time races, we are not sure how far the horses run, and now we are
not even sure if they won or not.

I am assuming we know it was a horse?
We have to get away from using tats and go with piercings from here on out.... ear rings for maidens, nose rings for an allowance, genitals for grade ones.
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:29 PM   #43
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As a westerner growing into the game in the late 1960s, this was common. If a track wasn't recognized, then its records weren't either.

Jon White's favorite horse Turbulator ran at an unrecognized track before running a maiden race at a bullring in 1969. He was the trackman at the latter and knew about it, but I didn't.

Grow a pair.

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Old 05-20-2016, 04:33 PM   #44
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This isn't the late 60's.
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This isn't the late 60's.
There are anomalies to this sport, but they are rare. Accept that wisdom and move on.
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