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06-21-2018, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by boxcar
What about when kids' parents are criminals and get busted?
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As a judge would say "irrelevant". There is no evidence that a significant number of refugee women or any, fleeing murder, rape and kidnapping of their children are criminals.
If you have any evidence Mr Prosecutor (persecutor), you should refer to and cite the text specifically called out in Public Law 107-296.
Well bunky?
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06-21-2018, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by newtothegame
So, if this administration had stayed about 350 it would be ok for ya????
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If those people are wanted on criminal charges either here or where they came from? If they were attempting to smuggle in narcotics? If they were helping to traffic people across the border?
Yes to all three examples above examples. I'm sure there are others.
Fact is we don't know all those specifics.
We do know that once "zero tolerance" came around these separations skyrocketed.
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06-21-2018, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
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Hey, Andy, maybe you and your pals on twitter can start a "Anti-Saul Alinsky" bill and stop refugee seekers from Cental America who are too liberal for the good ole' USA.
Btw, Trump congratulated the Hungarian leader who launched 'anti-Semitic' attack on George Soros. Needless to say, Stephen Miller would be proud. Hungary has a far right agenda.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trum...ader-1.6180132
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06-21-2018, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Hey, Andy, maybe you and your pals on twitter can start a "Anti-Saul Alinsky" bill and stop refugee seekers from Cental America who are too liberal for the good ole' USA.
Btw, Trump congratulated the Hungarian leader who launched 'anti-Semitic' attack on George Soros. Needless to say, Stephen Miller would be proud. Hungary has a far right agenda.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trum...ader-1.6180132
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Think you got me there a little. Point is that countries around the world have had enough of unlimited migration. Italy point in case. The leaders of Europe won't say it publicly but their people will.
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06-21-2018, 06:29 PM
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Btw, Trump congratulated the Hungarian leader who launched 'anti-Semitic' attack on George Soros.
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I would BOW to him if I had the chance.
Anyone one who attack that POS is a hero.
Too bad is was not a more severe physical attack.
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06-21-2018, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
If those people are wanted on criminal charges either here or where they came from? If they were attempting to smuggle in narcotics? If they were helping to traffic people across the border?
Yes to all three examples above examples. I'm sure there are others.
Fact is we don't know all those specifics.
We do know that once "zero tolerance" came around these separations skyrocketed.
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Another hilarious post....
So let me get this straight...if they are wanted for a previous crime, your ok with it but not if they are caught IN THE ACT of a crime (illegally crossing)?
Wouldn't of it just be easier to say you don't like trump enforcing immigration laws????
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06-21-2018, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller View Post
If those people are wanted on criminal charges either here or where they came from? If they were attempting to smuggle in narcotics? If they were helping to traffic people across the border?
Yes to all three examples above examples. I'm sure there are others.
Fact is we don't know all those specifics.
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Then Trump is making the right decision to put them in jail until we find out
You let them and their families freely enter the county NOT knowing these things?
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06-21-2018, 07:49 PM
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06-21-2018, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
As a judge would say "irrelevant". There is no evidence that a significant number of refugee women or any, fleeing murder, rape and kidnapping of their children are criminals.
If you have any evidence Mr Prosecutor (persecutor), you should refer to and cite the text specifically called out in Public Law 107-296.
Well bunky?
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They may flee for whatever reason they give, but they're entering the country illegally. They are trying to bypass the the legally-established application process by entering at unauthorized crossings. That, sir, is ILLEGAL. That means they are breaking the law. As lawbreakers, they are criminals.
Try getting into Mexico that way. Or Australia. Or into Japan. Or any number of African countries, etc. See how that works for you.
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06-21-2018, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
If those people are wanted on criminal charges either here or where they came from? If they were attempting to smuggle in narcotics? If they were helping to traffic people across the border?
Yes to all three examples above examples. I'm sure there are others.
Fact is we don't know all those specifics.
We do know that once "zero tolerance" came around these separations skyrocketed.
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Yeah...well...what do you expect when a law is enforced? You expect different outcome, do you?
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06-21-2018, 08:06 PM
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why don't they just come through a port of entry like we all do when we go to canada or mexico.
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06-21-2018, 08:47 PM
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My understanding is that there is NOT a law that says migrant children crossing the border with parents must be separated from their parents -- assuming the parents are not wanted for crimes committed previously in the U.S.
If it was a law, it would be a bad law and should be disobeyed.
Remember, there was a time slavery was legal. It was legal for a slave owner to sell slave babies. It was against the law to help a slave escape from his or her owner. Many people broke the law to help slaves escape.
People felt a moral obligation to break the law to rescue slaves.
Trump did NOT have the a law on his side that said he could separate the children. He realized it was bad policy. So he signed an executive order ending the practice.
It has been settled. Common sense and decency prevailed.
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06-21-2018, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by newtothegame
Another hilarious post....
So let me get this straight...if they are wanted for a previous crime, your ok with it but not if they are caught IN THE ACT of a crime (illegally crossing)?
Wouldn't of it just be easier to say you don't like trump enforcing immigration laws????
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Again I never said that.
Yes if you're wanted for a violent crime, drugs, or trafficking... yes I want your kids taken away from you.
That doesn't mean I'm against enforcing immigration laws. I'm against taking kids away from parents who simply crossed the border and sought asylum.
Throw them in camps while you process their applications. Hell we can even call them internment camps... I don't care.
Your above post is the exact problem with Trumpbot absolutism... surely there wasn't another solution... until *poof* there was!
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 06-21-2018 at 08:52 PM.
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06-21-2018, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by boxcar
Yeah...well...what do you expect when a law is enforced? You expect different outcome, do you?
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Thank God we've got a Scofflaw-in-chief!
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06-21-2018, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
My understanding is that there is NOT a law that says migrant children crossing the border with parents must be separated from their parents -- assuming the parents are not wanted for crimes committed previously in the U.S.
If it was a law, it would be a bad law and should be disobeyed.
Remember, there was a time slavery was legal. It was legal for a slave owner to sell slave babies. It was against the law to help a slave escape from his or her owner. Many people broke the law to help slaves escape.
People felt a moral obligation to break the law to rescue slaves.
Trump did NOT have the a law on his side that said he could separate the children. He realized it was bad policy. So he signed an executive order ending the practice.
It has been settled. Common sense and decency prevailed.
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The 9th circuit recently determined that the law does just that. Forces the separation of the children from the parents.
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