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03-25-2020, 09:13 AM
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Every country knew a pandemic was inevitable and apparently all failed in their preparations.
Age and wisdom do not go hand in hand.
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Last edited by woodtoo; 03-25-2020 at 09:14 AM.
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03-25-2020, 09:34 AM
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#1877
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Originally Posted by davew
If Cuomo is correct and NY needs 100K ventilators in a couple weeks, who is going to decide who lives and dies?
They are last ditch efforts when positive ventilation is needed.
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NY's ventilator rationing plan was devised back in 2015, when a study revealed a massive shortage of ventilators.
We didn't have to have ventilator shortage...
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03-25-2020, 09:39 AM
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#1878
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Originally Posted by Mulerider
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Why didn't Trump step in and supply NYS with ventilators back in 2015? What was he thinking he is so self-centered. 
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03-25-2020, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
One evaluates something like this retrospectively...ALL the active cases have not even been defined yet and YOU think yo have the definitive data on the outcome? Please
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Exactly. Not only that but overall fatality rates vary dramatically one set of criteria and local compared to another set.
Italian doctors note high COVID-19 death rate, urge action
Mar 24, 2020
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...te-urge-action
Italy's high rate of death from COVID-19 (7.2%, vs. 2.3% in China) may be explained by the country's relatively high proportion of older people, a different definition of coronavirus-related deaths, and approach to testing strategies, according to a commentary yesterday in JAMA.
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03-25-2020, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
Every country knew a pandemic was inevitable and apparently all failed in their preparations.
Age and wisdom do not go hand in hand.
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South Korea dealt with the padndemic better than most others, Italy for instance.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...navirus-cases/
As of March 24, 2020, South Korea confirmed the 9,037th case of infection including 120 deaths after the first case of coronavirus in the country on January 20. As of the same date, 3,507 patients were discharged from hospitals after making a full recovery from the virus. In total, over 348 thousand people have been tested until now.
Do the math.....
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03-25-2020, 10:05 AM
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While it is nice to be distant and "theoretical" here, listen to this poor guy talk about his parents.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nba-basketball
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03-25-2020, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
One evaluates something like this retrospectively...ALL the active cases have not even been defined yet and YOU think yo have the definitive data on the outcome? Please
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STFU
I was just correcting the mistake on posting 0.014% which is 0.00014, and while I dont have actual numbers I can guarantee you 0.00014 is not the rate of mortality for COVID-19.
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03-25-2020, 10:14 AM
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velocitician
Join Date: Aug 2004
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These ridiculous projections are without accurate data: like telling us all about the ending of a novel while you are on page 89 out of 320
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03-25-2020, 10:16 AM
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03-25-2020, 10:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
These ridiculous projections are without accurate data: like telling us all about the ending of a novel while you are on page 89 out of 320
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They should stop all projections until they aren't projections at all. 
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03-25-2020, 10:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woodtoo
Why didn't Trump step in and supply NYS with ventilators back in 2015? What was he thinking he is so self-centered. |
I don't think Trump was President in 2015.
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03-25-2020, 10:58 AM
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Just another Facist
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Location: Now in Houston
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Hmmm.......
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03-25-2020, 11:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hcap
The mortality rate for the novel coronavirus is much higher so far, around 2% (although the number will likely change as more people are tested). That may not sound like a big difference, "but when extrapolated, can mean millions more deaths"
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The current mortality rate in the US is around 1.3%, and that should dip to under 1% over time as we test more people and promising treatment options become more available. In severe flu seasons the rate can get as high as 0.7% so it's not some fantastically deadly disease. In fact, if you remove the elderly with COPD, you'd probably take out half the number of dead.
What we SHOULD be doing is isolating the elderly with pre-existing conditions and let the rest of us build our immunity to this virus to limit future outbreaks. Isn't it economically more prudent and easier medically to isolated the "at risk" group rather than impact everyone? Remember the saying, "first, do no further harm". That's the medical credo, right? Well, we're doing a lot of harm right now and the path forward is not correct in my opinion.
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03-25-2020, 11:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hcap
South Korea dealt with the pandemic better than most others...
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going a bit out of my circle of competence here, but from my vague understanding,- SK is somewhat homogenous/planned/modern society, who always lives in a state of general readiness for war or calamity. They would seem to be expected to do much better than some other countries.
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03-25-2020, 12:32 PM
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