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Originally Posted by SharpCat
I did not say anything about tactical speed or betting. I was talking only about this specific race and not races in general. I simply was responding to the other posters comment that Zenyatta had a better trip than Blame. I gave a break down of the trips encountered by Blame and Zenyatta the last half mile of the race. In my opinion Blame without question had the better trip than Zenyatta. If you disagree with my opinion feel free to break it down for me.
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I've already said both had good trips. For Zenyatta's style, that was about as good as you are going to get. Sure, the rail could have opened and she could have saved a little ground, but that is more miracle trip than good. She already had a very fast pace to help her.
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11-07-2010, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
She already had a very fast pace to help her.
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Agree, but lets not forget, the very fast pace also helped Blame too.
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11-07-2010, 05:22 PM
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#318
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Originally Posted by Tom
Turf is card filler.
Secretariat went out on it because he had lost a step.
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Wow.
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11-07-2010, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie D
Agree, but lets not forget, the very fast pace also helped Blame too.
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Sure, but not as much. If the pace were slower Blame wasn't losing, he'd have been positioned closer to the leader. You can't say that about Z. Blame's versatility is an asset, though others don't want to give him credit.
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11-07-2010, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Valuist
When measuring the record you have to view it in terms of context of competition. What would Secretariat have done to the likes of mediocrities like Anabaas Creation, Rinterval and Taptam? Was Pepper's Pride one of the all-time great mares? Of course not. I will go out on a very small limb; 37 years from now, Disney will NOT make a movie about Zenyatta.
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Are you nuts? We hear reports that Hollywood has purchased the rights to the MINE THAT BIRD story and you're telling me there WON'T be a Zenyatta movie? With her HOLLYWOOD connections to boot?
1-10 we see a Zenyatta movie before a MTB movie... 
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11-07-2010, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Are you nuts? We hear reports that Hollywood has purchased the rights to the MINE THAT BIRD story and you're telling me there WON'T be a Zenyatta movie? With her HOLLYWOOD connections to boot?
1-10 we see a Zenyatta movie before a MTB movie... |
If we see a Mine That Bird movie, the last scene is sure to be the first Saturday of May, 2009.
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11-07-2010, 05:33 PM
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Wow.
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Tongue-in-cheek, Boss! 
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11-07-2010, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
If we see a Mine That Bird movie, the last scene is sure to be the first Saturday of May, 2009.
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He hasn't come out of retirement yet to win the hundert granter.
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11-07-2010, 05:35 PM
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there's a saying...
"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
Zenyatta was very, very brave. Heart of a champion.
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11-07-2010, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CincyHorseplayer
Class you are not alone.Mike mentioned it.I did too.She was real cloppy early on til that first turn.
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Thank you for that acknowledgement.
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11-07-2010, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Sure, but not as much. If the pace were slower Blame wasn't losing, he'd have been positioned closer to the leader. You can't say that about Z. Blame's versatility is an asset, though others don't want to give him credit.
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As i think the result proves, the more prominent racing position was Blame's advantage over Zen.
Under different circumstances it may however have not been so. FWIW, Blame looks like what is termed a grinder to me and if the pace had been slower Zen may have been able to sprint past ( she was not that far behind him after 1/4) and win by a short margin as she has done in numerous other races.
Last edited by Charlie D; 11-07-2010 at 05:50 PM.
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11-07-2010, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie D
As i think the result proves, the more prominent racing position was Blame's advantage over Zen.
Under different circumstances it may however have not been so. FWIW, Blame looks like what is termed a grinder to me and if the pace had been slower Zen may have been able to sprint past ( she was not that far behind him after 1/4) and win by a short margin as she has done in numerous other races.
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That just doesn't happen on dirt.
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11-07-2010, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I've already said both had good trips. For Zenyatta's style, that was about as good as you are going to get. Sure, the rail could have opened and she could have saved a little ground, but that is more miracle trip than good. She already had a very fast pace to help her.
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If you compare the 2 trips i'm not sure how anyone can say both had good trips. Without question Blame had the better trip of the 2. While both horses were able to save ground on the turn Blame was able to run freely the whole turn while Zenyatta had to wait till the top of the strecth to do any running at all. That is where the Classic was won.
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11-07-2010, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by beertapper
there's a saying...
"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
Zenyatta was very, very brave. Heart of a champion.
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Great quote. 
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