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Old 08-02-2020, 04:05 AM   #121
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I like the Lancet. Especially when they publish studies on HCQ that later need to be retracted...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext

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such a prestigious medical journal...tsk tsk tsk...that TDS nails everyone, doesn't it?
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:20 AM   #122
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I like the Lancet. Especially when they publish studies on HCQ that later need to be retracted...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext

lulz

such a prestigious medical journal...tsk tsk tsk...that TDS nails everyone, doesn't it?
Hey Luiz, what was retracted was a study that improperly raise SAFETY concerns by the author. Not retreating the conclusive multi-clinical peer-reviewed studies showing ZERO effectiveness.

That's how science works properly using the peer review process.Eroors are made and most of the time it is caught before an ineffective drug is hyped by the hysterical.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/...malaria-drugs/

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The Lancet, one of the world’s top medical journals, on Thursday retracted an influential study that raised alarms about the safety of the experimental Covid-19 treatments chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine amid scrutiny of the data underlying the paper.

The retractions came at the request of the authors of the studies, published last month, who were not directly involved with the data collection and sources, the journals said.

...Meanwhile, on Wednesday, researchers reported the results of the first gold-standard clinical trial of hydroxycholoroquine in Covid-19, concluding that it did not prevent infections any better than placebo. Other clinical trials, including some looking at the drugs as treatments, are ongoing.

The Lancet study gained so much attention because it went further than other observational studies that had similarly found the drugs were not associated with improved outcomes for patients. The study, which was purportedly based on patient data from 671 hospitals on six continents, reported the drugs also corresponded to higher mortality.
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Old 08-02-2020, 11:08 AM   #123
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I must point out that the Lancet is the most respected medical journal in the world. The Lancet has concluded that mask wearing significantly reduces the risk of viral transmission. Therefore the science is indeed conclusive. Wear a mask when you out in public. There's a word for any doctor that advises otherwise, that word is "quack."

There's an old adage: Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever.
And into which camp do you fall?

Don't you know that Lancet also has a political agenda? The organization certainly isn't sympathetic toward Jews -- in fact, they might well be antisemites.

The Lancet: A Biased and Shameful Medical Journal

https://www.algemeiner.com/2012/03/1...dical-journal/
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:19 PM   #124
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:22 PM   #125
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:56 PM   #126
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This can't be. Whatever runs counter to leftist propaganda has to be fake news.
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:13 AM   #127
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Herd immunity?

THE HERD IMMUNITY THRESHOLD (“HIT”) FOR COVID-19 IS BETWEEN 10-20%
June 25, 2020

Most people understand the basic concept of herd immunity and the math behind it. In the early days, some public health officials speculated that COVID-19’s HIT was 70%. Obviously, the difference between a HIT of 70% and a HIT of 10-20% is dramatic, and the lower the HIT, the quicker a virus will burn out as it loses the ability to infect more people, which is exactly what COVID-19 is doing everywhere, including the U.S..

New York is WELL PAST Herd Immunity Threshold (as is New Jersey), the southern states in the news are BELOW the implied HIT, while the U.S. overall is nearly there with 15%. This is why the death curve from the CDC (and NYC!) looks the way it looks: We are basically done with the virus, just like Sweden, and oh, Italy.

A respected team of infectious disease epidemiologists from the U.K. and U.S. have concluded: “Naturally acquired immunity to SARS-CoV-2 may place populations over the herd immunity threshold once as few as 10-20% of its individuals are immune.” Separate calculations of HITs ranging from ~18% to 43% — each substantially below the dogmatically asserted value of ~70% — have recently been reported.

Additional immune responses beyond the development of specific SARS-Cov2 “B-cell antibodies,” capable of lowering the HIT by preventing SARS-Cov2 infection and/or reducing COVID-19 disease severity, have been described. These include:

●The presence of cross-reactive non-COVID-19 human coronavirus antibodies, induced by coronaviruses responsible for 15%-30% of seasonal common colds, which might lessen COVID-19 disease severity.

●The presence of pre-existing immunity, mediated by other cells which circulate in the blood called “T-cells,” found in 34% of healthy Berlin, Germany, blood donors who had no evidence of specific “antibodies” to COVID-19/SARS-Cov2.

●The presence of such “T cells” detected in ~40%-60% of SARS-Cov2 unexposed healthy U.S. blood donors, also suggesting cross-reactive T-cell immunity between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-Cov2.

●Evidence from healthy Singapore blood donors of T-cell-immunity conferred by prior infection with not only SARS-Cov1 — likely dating back to the 2002-03 outbreak — but also common cold-causing human coronaviruses and other “unknown coronaviruses, possibly of animal origin” in persons unexposed to either SARS-Cov1 or SARS-Cov2.

●Evidence that six of eight close household contacts of COVID-19 infected and recovered patients, who also developed mild symptoms but did not produce SARS-Cov2 antibodies, yet demonstrated specific T-cell immunity to SARS-Cov2. The investigators concluded: “Epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-Cov2 antibodies may lead to substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus.”

The Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention (CDC) published a 5/20/20 “best estimate” of the infection fatality ratio (IFR) for COVID-19 in the U.S. An IFR for any infectious disease is the number of fatal infections divided by the total of all infections, including asymptomatic infections. The CDC’s COVID-19 IFR for the U.S. ranged from 0.20%-0.27%, based upon asymptomatic infections composing an estimated 50% to 35% of total infections. This CDC estimate is consistent with its calculation of a 0.26% U.S. IFR for the 1957-58 H2N2 influenza A pandemic, despite an attempted vaccination program. Stanford Professor of Epidemiology John Ioannidis’ 5/19/20 analysis of COVID-19 IFRs from 12 large population studies that surveyed the presence of COVID-19 antibodies in blood, each with at least 500 sampled, found: 7/12 with a corrected IFR range of 0.06%-0.16%, like seasonal flu; 3/12 modestly higher, 0.25%-0.40%; and 2/12 modestly lower, 0.02%-0.03%.

THE HERD IMMUNITY THRESHOLD (“HIT”) FOR COVID-19 IS BETWEEN 10-20%
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:22 AM   #128
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I am starting to believe the above.

Doctors at a well respected hospital here where I live in NY told a friend of mine recently that "COVID has basically disappeared from here...we aren't seeing anyone with the disease any longer...nobody is even coming in to be tested..."
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:42 AM   #129
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I am starting to believe the above.

Doctors at a well respected hospital here where I live in NY told a friend of mine recently that "COVID has basically disappeared from here...we aren't seeing anyone with the disease any longer...nobody is even coming in to be tested..."
so Cuomo was the best?
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Redboard, thanks for your post on the HIT details. I think that gives us some hope that our problems will be reduced in a short term.
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Old 08-04-2020, 04:02 PM   #131
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so Cuomo was the best?
HE killed off everyone left vulnerable in NY.
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