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05-16-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MadWorld
Can you see every track producing their own form of PP's and printing and distributing them?
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Yes, every harness track in Canada makes the PPs available online for free. The U.S. tracks could do the same and have the fans print them out if they are going to the track.
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05-16-2012, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
Do you really think Saratoga has any political clout, especially with this governor?
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Originally Posted by cj
The governor doesn't care about saving racing in NY.
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Saratoga is not just the city or county, it is a state of mind for local and neighboring citizenry who grow up with recreational gambling as a part of their culture. Everybody I grew up with was aware ofte track and had at least one relative who made at least one annual visit. No NY governor can ignore their support for that track and its traditions.
I agree that Cuomo is probably not interested in saving the sport, but neither does he want the backlash that threatening Saratoga would unleash.
Anyone who thinks Aqueduct will survive will find bridge salespersons at his/her door. Until better days financially come about, Belmont needs to be closed, though I hope not permanently.
You guys better re-read usedtolovetvg's posts.
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05-16-2012, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Indulto
Saratoga in the summer is the place to be and be seen through Labor Day, so “plummet” might be a bit extreme although the number of 6-day weeks might have to be cut back to the original four.
Why don’t YOU offer an alternative scenario to save quality racing in NY. Only Saratoga has the political clout to get some cooperation from the State at this point. The status quo certainly won’t suffice.
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Of course it would plummet because it wouldn't be "The Summer Place to be". It would be the April throgh mid October Place to be and people would stop caring. Instead of a short window to visit Saratoga, it would be a long boring mess. Go back to the NFL example. Would there be constant sell outs with a 32 week seaon?
My suggestion is to get rid of over regulation. Drop the two boards that over see the NYRA and things improve dramatically.
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05-16-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by usedtolovetvg
Yes, every harness track in Canada makes the PPs available online for free. The U.S. tracks could do the same and have the fans print them out if they are going to the track.
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Ok so if Harness racing does it, I bet they have a HUGE new fanbase. It must work great!
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05-16-2012, 02:31 PM
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This is what the NFL did. Used to be like 1300 paying customers in the stands. Then they started printing their own programs and the rest is history.
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Originally Posted by MadWorld
Ok so if Harness racing does it, I bet they have a HUGE new fanbase. It must work great!
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05-16-2012, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
The governor doesn't care about saving racing in NY.
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No truer words have ever been said. NY racing has to deal with that fact. So far all I have seen is bitching about the governor. This governor is not going save NY racing(and it is highly unlikely you ever see a governor who will), so it is up to NY racing do it. Bitching about the governor isn't going to get it done. Remember I am one of the posters that thinks racing can not only survive by without slots money, but flourish, if it plays it cards right.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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05-16-2012, 02:35 PM
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[QUOTE=samyn on the green]This is what the NFL did. Used to be like 1300 paying customers in the stands. Then they started printing their own programs and the rest is history.[/QUOTE]
Is this sarcasm? Or are you seriously suggesting causality here?
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05-16-2012, 02:37 PM
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silent warfare
I don't think you get it. The governor is in a "silent war" with NYRA -a silent war is the same as a open war with out physical violence- and is attempting to sack slots money revenue.
Whether it is horses breaking down or their NYSRWB forgetting to lower the takeout the state is going to use every weapon available to win the war for slots cashflow. This is war it is NYRA versus the oriental casino owners reamed up with the local ruling class.
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No truer words have ever been said. NY racing has to deal with that fact. So far all I have seen is bitching about the governor. This governor is not going save NY racing(and it is highly unlikely you ever see a governor who will), so it is up to NY racing do it. Bitching about the governor isn't going to get it done. Remember I am one of the posters that thinks racing can not only survive by without slots money, but flourish, if it plays it cards right.
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Last edited by samyn on the green; 05-16-2012 at 02:39 PM.
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05-16-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Indulto
Saratoga is not just the city or county, it is a state of mind for local and neighboring citizenry who grow up with recreational gambling as a part of their culture. Everybody I grew up with was aware ofte track and had at least one relative who made at least one annual visit. No NY governor can ignore their support for that track and its traditions.
I agree that Cuomo is probably not interested in saving the sport, but neither does he want the backlash that threatening Saratoga would unleash.
Anyone who thinks Aqueduct will survive will find bridge salespersons at his/her door. Until better days financially come about, Belmont needs to be closed, though I hope not permanently.
You guys better re-read usedtolovetvg's posts.
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I'm well aware of what Saratoga is. It has no political clout, especially with a governor set on shutting racing down.
A lot has changed since the 60's.
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05-16-2012, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I'm well aware of what Saratoga is. It has no political clout, especially with a governor set on shutting racing down.
A lot has changed since the 60's.
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If Joe Bruno were still in the State Senate, it might matter...but he isn't, so I agree w/ you.
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05-16-2012, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MadWorld
Ok so if Harness racing does it, I bet they have a HUGE new fanbase. It must work great!
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That was not your point, nor mine. Simply that it can and has been done. Giving free PPs will not bring in new fans which is my point. You might as well hand out The Complete Works Of William Shakespeare. They won't understand that either.
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05-16-2012, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
No truer words have ever been said. NY racing has to deal with that fact. So far all I have seen is bitching about the governor. This governor is not going save NY racing(and it is highly unlikely you ever see a governor who will), so it is up to NY racing do it. Bitching about the governor isn't going to get it done. Remember I am one of the posters that thinks racing can not only survive by without slots money, but flourish, if it plays it cards right.
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Again, people are having a discussion about one thing and you are having an entirely different conversation with yourself.
People are bitching about the governor because he's trying to shut down NY racing. What is so confusing about that? Of course he isn't going to save it. He's trying to destroy it.
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05-16-2012, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by samyn on the green
I don't think you get it. The governor is in a "silent war" with NYRA -a silent war is the same as a open war with out physical violence- and is attempting to sack slots money revenue.
Whether it is horses breaking down or their NYSRWB forgetting to lower the takeout the state is going to use every weapon available to win the war for slots cashflow. This is war it is NYRA versus the oriental casino owners reamed up with the local ruling class.
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I understand that the governor doesn't like horse racing. Get over it. He ain't going anywhere and bitching about him isn't go to change that or him. NYRA isn't going to win any kind of war with this or any governor. That is the reality of the situation. You can kiss that slot money goodbye. It is time figure out what they are going to without it.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
Last edited by Robert Goren; 05-16-2012 at 02:53 PM.
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05-16-2012, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MadWorld
The original comment was the brilliant idea of giving away basic past performances to increase sales of Formulator and other PP Packages. When it was pointed out that tracks don't get revenue from Formulator sales because they don't produce them, Goren jumped in with the ridiculous comment that maybe tracks shoud start producing them themselves. Can you see every track producing their own form of PP's and printing and distributing them?
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They already do.
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05-16-2012, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by samyn on the green
This is what the NFL did. Used to be like 1300 paying customers in the stands. Then they started printing their own programs and the rest is history.
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This is the funniest post that I have read in Internet Land history.
(Until the next time, of course.)
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