Probe of NYRA execs may be launched - NYRA may lose slots subsidies

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

There are several ADW's that give them away now. That means the info must be pretty cheap. It means that race tracks are going to have to have them printing. As the person who was responsible for all of my company's printing, I can tell you it is not that expensive to something printed. The cost are not anywhere near what cost to go Kinko's and have it copied. Offset printing is really very cheap.

At this point, I am inclined to think this is all a big joke and you have fooled us all.

You are just guessing (poorly) at things, with ZERO in terms of knowledge. Printing isn't expensive? Hilarious...

[Indulto]

Originally Posted by MadWorld

But you realize the Saratoga Summer Meet would suffer and it's on-track attendance would plummet too right? Belmont offers it's own "Boutique Meet" in the Fall with lower attendance than the Spring Meet.

Saratoga in the summer is the place to be and be seen through Labor Day, so “plummet” might be a bit extreme although the number of 6-day weeks might have to be cut back to the original four.

Why don’t YOU offer an alternative scenario to save quality racing in NY. Only Saratoga has the political clout to get some cooperation from the State at this point. The status quo certainly won’t suffice.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I understand your point, but is there anything worse than trying to have a conversation, where one (or more) people involved is TOTALLY clueless about the discussion, yet keeps on talking?

Look at the last few pages here. I know Goren has his opinion, and he's entitled to it, but it'd help the discussion along if he'd be at least a little knowledgable about the events.

I hardly agree with Mr Goren far less than 5% of the time. But at least he is consistent in his stance that I perceive to be dead wrong. He is a member here and if he chooses to make comments from left field that is his prerogative. One can also mute him rather then go on the attack.

We all know this is a VERY SERIOUS issue but there has been lots of strong opinions on this subject from many differing points of view. Heck I disagree with thaskalos (whom I respect highly) on this should I tell him what was told Mr. Goren? That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Seriously when he didn't post a while back a while ago people were asking what happened to him. How quickly some forget.

[Canarsie]

Very interesting read please take a few minutes of your time. No I didn't write it.

http://leftatthegate.blogspot.com/20...r-on-nyra.html

Like I said before be careful of what you wish for.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

Heck I disagree with thaskalos (whom I respect highly) on this should I tell him what was told Mr. Goren?

Normally I would say yes, but Thaskalos has had a tough week dealing with nasty pm's, so cut him a break.

Seriously though, I certainly understand your point. But at some point, when someone isn't interested in actually looking at things how they are, and is stuck on some incorrect perception of reality, people are going to lose their patience.

I'm with you that this stuff is very serious.

[Tom]

“Unless NYRA immediately starts to act in the best interests of racing and the taxpayers of this state

As a taxpayer of NYS, and a horse player, I can state without the slightest doubt that NYRA has done FAR more for racing than the NY legislature and most all other racing associations bar none. Aside from 5 horse stakes fields and bad post parade camera angles, I cannot come up with any negatives.
What other association has a higher handle nation-wide? Endof that BS.

As far as helping taxpayers, the NYRA tracks create thousands of jobs in and out of the state, they generate cash flow which increases taxes and then they contribute "bundles of money" to the state, which helps us beaten down tax payers.


Now, do we really need to discuss what the state of NY and the Wagering Board have done to help either racing or taxpayers?

I think the only thing the state has NOT done to me is piss in my soup.
NYS is a gross failure on EVERY level. They drive peopel and business out of the state, and then bleed those who remain. WE have an idiot for a governor, and this is his GOOD quality. The wagering board has cost billions in handle by keeping the take outs too high.....and done nothing to help the industry.

Time for every voting NYer here to go ballistic on this miserable excuse of a state.

I hope Baby Mario shows up at toga for Travers Day....because I have a really fitting chant I will be trying to get started in the crowd....that TOS prevent me from posting here.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by Indulto

Saratoga in the summer is the place to be and be seen through Labor Day, so “plummet” might be a bit extreme although the number of 6-day weeks might have to be cut back to the original four.

Why don’t YOU offer an alternative scenario to save quality racing in NY. Only Saratoga has the political clout to get some cooperation from the State at this point. The status quo certainly won’t suffice.

Do you really think Saratoga has any political clout, especially with this governor?

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by Tom

I think the only thing the state has NOT done to me is piss in my soup.

You only think that. You're not absolutely sure of that are you?

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by MadWorld

How is every track supposed to produce their own PP's? Is that what you would like? 35 different versions of PP's to interpret? If you think they are expensive now, how about if every track is printing them themselves?

Have you ever heard of Equibase? And each track already prints these things they call "programs" which have "past performances" in them.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Indulto

Why don’t YOU offer an alternative scenario to save quality racing in NY. Only Saratoga has the political clout to get some cooperation from the State at this point. The status quo certainly won’t suffice.

The governor doesn't care about saving racing in NY.

[usedtolovetvg]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

I hardly agree with Mr Goren far less than 5% of the time. But at least he is consistent in his stance that I perceive to be dead wrong. He is a member here and if he chooses to make comments from left field that is his prerogative. One can also mute him rather then go on the attack.

We all know this is a VERY SERIOUS issue but there has been lots of strong opinions on this subject from many differing points of view. Heck I disagree with thaskalos (whom I respect highly) on this should I tell him what was told Mr. Goren? That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Seriously when he didn't post a while back a while ago people were asking what happened to him. How quickly some forget.

RG seems to talking with his head, at least, and not his heart. Horse racing is not even a blip on most people's radar screen, certainly not the politicos. Horse racing is a dying sport. The sooner everyone realizes that the better. Certainly, there will be big days but as a day in, day out operation it is toast. I don't blame the politicians, I blame racing's leadership for failing to be progressive and keep up with the changing times. Clearly, racing has done nothing to attract new fans and that is the most important issue. Not only have they failed there but the have also pissed off the few fans they have left. That is not the politicians fault that is racing's leadership or lack thereof. If racing had done its job, they would have the clout to be politically effective. Nothing I have read here is going to grow the sport just delay the inevitable.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by usedtolovetvg

RG seems to talking with his head, at least, and not his heart. Horse racing is not even a blip on most people's radar screen, certainly not the politicos. Horse racing is a dying sport. The sooner everyone realizes that the better. Certainly, there will be big days but as a day in, day out operation it is toast. I don't blame the politicians, I blame racing's leadership for failing to be progressive and keep up with the changing times. Clearly, racing has done nothing to attract new fans and that is the most important issue. Not only have they failed there but the have also pissed off the few fans they have left. That is not the politicians fault that is racing's leadership or lack thereof. If racing had done its job, they would have the clout to be politically effective. Nothing I have read here is going to grow the sport just delay the inevitable.

Could not have said it better myself...

[samyn on the green]

NYRA is going to get blasted hard from all sides. There was a editorial in the news last week about how corrupt NYRA is. The same day there was an article in the Times. Horses have been breaking down for 150 years all of a sudden every newspaper is so concerned with it. While they are concerned they also -in unison- provide the solution of closing Aqueduct and funneling all the money to the Oriental casino owners. The common punchline is that Aqueduct must close. Aqueduct closing is the recurrent theme here as there is big-money to be made in jettisoning the ponies.


There is no way the local oligarchy is going to let the stream on money from the slots go to horse owners. Whether it is takeout for the fans (Cuomo cares deeply) or horse deaths (he only eats organic soybeans)Cuomo is going to make a moral argument to close Aqueduct and make sure the money goes to the Oriental casino owners and the local big-wigs. Not only will he grab the casino money he is going to grab the moral high ground to provide sufficient cover to their money grab ops.

[mannyberrios]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I understand your point, but is there anything worse than trying to have a conversation, where one (or more) people involved is TOTALLY clueless about the discussion, yet keeps on talking?

Look at the last few pages here. I know Goren has his opinion, and he's entitled to it, but it'd help the discussion along if he'd be at least a little knowledgable about the events.

Thank you Dahoss! Racing has its problems, but it is not nearly as bad as Gorens post. Things happen at work, home, sports, and horse racing isn't the only sport that has some problems. And to Canarsie, I think that Gorens post are tasteless, so I have a right to say so also.

[MadWorld]

Originally Posted by FenceBored

Have you ever heard of Equibase? And each track already prints these things they call "programs" which have "past performances" in them.

The original comment was the brilliant idea of giving away basic past performances to increase sales of Formulator and other PP Packages. When it was pointed out that tracks don't get revenue from Formulator sales because they don't produce them, Goren jumped in with the ridiculous comment that maybe tracks shoud start producing them themselves. Can you see every track producing their own form of PP's and printing and distributing them?