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05-14-2013, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
Ivey has no chance in court.
If he wasn't the celebrity that he is, he might face prosecution himself.
Take your stake money and run, buddy......
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Proving (in a court of law) that this is what he was doing is almost impossible.
Since proving this is so difficult, I would say he definitely has a chance. Some lawyer somewhere has told him this or he wouldn't be pursuing it. Ivey is no dummy.
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05-14-2013, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by maddog42
Proving (in a court of law) that this is what he was doing is almost impossible.
Since proving this is so difficult, I would say he definitely has a chance. Some lawyer somewhere has told him this or he wouldn't be pursuing it. Ivey is no dummy.
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We'll agree to differ on that.
Defective card patterns are easy to read, if you know what to look for.
If he has a chance, Crockfords would settle with him.
Let's see what happens.....
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05-14-2013, 04:48 PM
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Billy Walters did the same thing in Roulette to Steve Wynn in the Golden Nugget in Atlantic city. he got paid because all he did was scout the roulette wheels for 2 months and figured out the bias to the wheel.
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Isn't that like having the track bias? I am no casino aficionado, so this may be a problem, but I don't see a problem with someone going over and beyond to give themselves an edge. As long as you have no say in the outcome, understanding how to make educated guesses in what is supposed to be a game of chance seems reasonable to me.
to pull this to horse racing even more, maybe the tracks did better when people were content with calling it luck. If people start figuring out how to successfully predict the outcomes, then maybe the luck players will leave the table. Once upon a time, PPs weren't even published, and people always attended the races..
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05-14-2013, 05:47 PM
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Isn't that like having the track bias?
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The difference is the track pays with OP's money. Unless there is outright collusion they could care less.
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05-15-2013, 03:27 PM
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Oh, now it's a generalization.
Anyway, can't believe people are ignoring the really important parts of this story. That Ivey requested the dealer HOLD THE CARDS a certain way, differently than normal (don't have a clue how a dealer holds the cards in Punto Banco, some type of baccarat), AND TO USE THE SAME EXACT CARDS THE NEXT DAY!!! And apparently, the casino complied to both requests, remarkably.
How doesn't those two odd requests not raise SERIOUS alarms on the floor? And yet they continued to let him play...
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But i dont understand why they couldnt have said no to those requests. And, once they said yes, doesnt that mean something?
Its not like he twisted their arm behind their back to use certain cards or hold them a certain way, they could have said no.
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05-15-2013, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cordep17
Isn't that like having the track bias? I am no casino aficionado, so this may be a problem, but I don't see a problem with someone going over and beyond to give themselves an edge. As long as you have no say in the outcome, understanding how to make educated guesses in what is supposed to be a game of chance seems reasonable to me.
to pull this to horse racing even more, maybe the tracks did better when people were content with calling it luck. If people start figuring out how to successfully predict the outcomes, then maybe the luck players will leave the table. Once upon a time, PPs weren't even published, and people always attended the races..
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i didn't say that Walter's did anything wrong. i have no idea why Steve Wynn would invite him to play anything in his casino's either. but Phil Ivy was nothing but pure greedy. if he beat them for $100,000 they probably would not have said a thing.
there was a guy that hit Keno 3 times in one day someplace in Canada. in 20 years i never saw a guy ever hit Keno. they took the guy out of the hotel in bracelets. another real genius.
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05-15-2013, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by barn32
There is no such thing as "the world's best poker player."
True. However, he was gambling with his income from Full Tilt, which has been estimated at $1,000,000~ a month.
What he was doing was nothing more than degenerate gambling, which for some odd reason has received lauditory praise from otherwise astute observers.
But, there has been speculation that his "daring exploits" were nothing more than publicity stunts for Full Tilt Poker. The ploy was to simply try and play as close to break even as possible thus garnering lots of attention for the site of which he was part owner.
Either way, his current imbroglio will not end well. Casinos do not like it when they are taken advantage of.
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After Chip Reese's death, Ivey is hands down the best poker player in the world...and no one who knows poker would ever disagree with this statement.
He is the "complete" player...being the only player who excels in all facets of the game. He plays all forms of poker exceptionally well...and is as outstanding a player in tournament play as he is in cash games -- a rare phenomenon among the poker elite. His tournament record is truly exceptional...and he would have made a much bigger name for himself in the tournament circuit, were it not for his preference for cash play. He is the only permanent fixture in the world's biggest cash games...while the rest of the player lineup there changes with the times.
In the jaded, jealous world of high stakes poker...Ivey's poker talent places him head and shoulders above everybody else.
In fact...there is a saying that the other high stakes players half-jokingly mutter among themselves. They say that it's all Ivey's money...and they are just temporarily holding it for him.
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05-16-2013, 01:58 AM
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Phil Ivey best player AINEC
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05-16-2013, 02:22 PM
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In fact...there is a saying that the other high stakes players half-jokingly mutter among themselves. They say that it's all Ivey's money...and they are just temporarily holding it for him.
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You have verified what I have long suspected.
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05-16-2013, 02:32 PM
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I've always been a big Ivey fan. Nerves of steel. However, I've always wondered how he could have been conned by Ferguson and Lederer in the first place.
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05-16-2013, 03:59 PM
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I've always been a big Ivey fan. Nerves of steel. However, I've always wondered how he could have been conned by Ferguson and Lederer in the first place.
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Ivey never needed this BS but he prob wanted an easy score....
Lederer and ferguson are the scum of the earth...it's was as big a scam as you will ever see....but People still look at ferguson as "Jesus" or "the guy that can throw cards and cut fruit" Just amazes me
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05-16-2013, 07:53 PM
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After Chip Reese's death, Ivey is hands down the best poker player in the world...and no one who knows poker would ever disagree with this statement.
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I know poker, and I disagree with that statement.
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He is the "complete" player...being the only player who excels in all facets of the game.
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Sorry, but we differ here as well.
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He is the only permanent fixture in the world's biggest cash games...while the rest of the player lineup there changes with the times...
In fact...there is a saying that the other high stakes players half-jokingly mutter among themselves. They say that it's all Ivey's money...and they are just temporarily holding it for him.
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Hmmm, I wonder what Johnny World, Ted Forrest, Johnny Chan, Jenifer Harman, Tom Dwan, Sam Trickett, Billy Baxter and Doyle Brunson (age 79) would say about that.
Just for the curious.
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05-16-2013, 08:10 PM
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i think those that think that Ivy is that great must have forgot about Dan Harrington.
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05-16-2013, 08:27 PM
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i think those that think that Ivy is that great must have forgot about Dan Harrington.
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I hate talking about poker players like they are heroes cus they aren't even close.....but I'll say Phil Ivey is in other time zone compared to Dan Harrington...Harrington is a one game player....
To touch on Johnny world he is a piece of garbage....wins like 1.6 million in wpt event at borgata and stiffed the dealers....first class scumbag....
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09-14-2013, 08:11 PM
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