Thread for Russian Attack on Ukraine

[PaceAdvantage]

Let me just say I'm quite happy to finally see this thread picking back up again. After months of literal silence, I was starting to seriously worry about the fate of the cradle of democracy that is Ukraine.

The timing of this couldn't be more perfect, by the way.

Let's just hope Putin doesn't do anything really stupid if he is indeed getting his ass handed to him in the weeks to come.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Wait...is there something wrong with Tucker vids?

I'm not interested in changing the topic.

I'll just say this is who you rely on for information and leave it at that...

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136

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[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Let me just say I'm quite happy to finally see this thread picking back up again. After months of literal silence, I was starting to seriously worry about the fate of the cradle of democracy that is Ukraine.

The timing of this couldn't be more perfect, by the way.

Let's just hope Putin doesn't do anything really stupid if he is indeed getting his ass handed to him in the weeks to come.

Ukraine goes through wet seasons before and after winter where mud becomes a major major problem for maneuver.

An offensive prior to mother nature pressing pause always made sense. Most just felt the major fighting would be in the south. It's happening there too as Ukraine is putting Kherson in a precarious position right now but the breakout in the north is wild.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I'm not interested in changing the topic.

I'll just say this is who you rely on for information and leave it at that...

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136

For a long while there, they(Russia) were "winning," (whatever that term actually means)...the silence in this thread and in the media was testament to that fact.

After the initial rah-rah, look at Ukraine shooting things down and blowing things up and killing lots of Russian troops, things went very silent and for a long time...which meant things were not going well for the AFU.

Agree or disagree?

[xtb]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

That's how modern mechanized warfare is fought.

Simple blitzkrieg stuff. Armor and heavy mechanized breaks into the rear layers of defense in depth and regular forces follow in behind.

Here is a different example;

https://youtu.be/PVbHBtmkdFA

The blitzkriegs were made possible by the Germans being jacked up on amphetamines and going full speed for days with no sleep. Does this still happen today? Serious question.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

For a long while there, they(Russia) were("winning," whatever that term actually means)...the silence in this thread and in the media was testament to that fact.

After the initial rah-rah, look at Ukraine shooting things down and blowing things up and killing lots of Russian troops, things went very silent and for a long time...which meant things were not going well for the AFU.

Agree or disagree?

I disagree. Not much was happening. Not much to talk about.

Russian operations failed to generate any real success that could be used to create a breakthrough.

We were mostly treated to videos of artillery duels and the random destroyed vehicle here or there throughout the summer.

Ukrainians were playing defense and succeeded in mostly stonewalling Russia. Towns held remained mostly the same. Major transport and logistical centers unchanged.

Now Ukraine is on the offensive... the results have been... different. It's not hyperbole when I say Russia is getting its shit kicked in right now.

They get a vote in how this conflict ends but this war is over... they've lost. They'll never again regain the territory they've yielded over the past 72 hours.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by xtb

The blitzkriegs were made possible by the Germans being jacked up on amphetamines and going full speed for days with no sleep. Does this still happen today? Serious question.

They used amphetamines but it's something of a overly simplistic explanation for their success.

German doctrine encouraged soldiers to make their own battlefield decisions. Tactically they were superior because of this.

Could Ukrainians be taking uppers? Some probably are but it wouldn't be a command move. Studies have shown that regardless of meds people start making really bad decisions after around 24-36 hours of no sleep. Militaries know this so Ukrainians will keep pressing as long as they can keep their units in the field fueled and armed or they start becoming combat ineffective.

Edit) interesting reading on this kind of battle field doctrine in action is the 7th Panzer or "Ghost Division". During the Battle of France they found a hole... and just kept pressing.

Edit Edit) Western militaries are modeled after this doctrine with strong command autonomy and the ability of NCOs to make combat decisions based on what they see. Ukraine's military is modeled after this. Russia's is not.

[newtothegame]

Thanks Ely for keeping us up to date.....
Sincerely mean that! I for one haven't kept up with this as interest wained.

[elysiantraveller]

For those asking the question; how far will Ukrainians go it's looking like we have our answer.

Seems they're content to shut it down at the Oskil River and mop up.

This is a proper geographic stopping point. Ukrainians don't have to get on the East side as they already are further south and risk of counterattack trapping them means calling it a day at a naturally defensible position like a river a smart choice.

In the south at Kherson the Russians cannot keep supply lines open to their troops on the west side of the Dnieper. They construct a new pontoon bridge and a HIMARS promptly takes it out.

This had led to a tactical withdrawal around Kherson by Russia of some 5-10km to shorten their lines. That is not a withdrawal like what happened in the north but an actual tactical decision to bring their lines of contact within range of their own artillery for support.

[classhandicapper]

Several things are likely

1. The western media is full of shit and we don’t know exactly what’s going on in Ukraine (highly likely since much of our media is government/IC controlled)

2. Russia wanted control of the entire country but will wind up settling for the Russian speaking eastern parts that should have been the compromise to end the war to begin with because those people want to be aligned with Russia anyway.

3. As I’ve been saying for a LONG time, the democrats have been whining about Russia for years and years now, but Russia has a GDP less than California. They are ZERO threat to the world unless you encroach on their security (as the west has done repeatedly with NATO) and it gets to the point they use nukes. Other than that, they are a paper bear as we can see by how they are struggling with a 3rd tear country like Ukraine. We should have been trying to improve relations with Russia, but that goes against our globalist NATO goals. Again, The real enemy is China.

[xtb]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

3. As I’ve been saying for a LONG time, the democrats have been whining about Russia for years and years now, but Russia has a GDP less than California. They are ZERO threat to the world unless you encroach on their security (as the west has done repeatedly with NATO) and it gets to the point they use nukes. Other than that, they are a paper bear as we can see by how they are struggling with a 3rd tear country like Ukraine. We should have been trying to improve relations with Russia, but that goes against our globalist NATO goals. Again, The real enemy is China.

So very true about China and we have no one to blame but ourselves for their rise.

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Several things are likely



3. As I’ve been saying for a LONG time, the democrats have been whining about Russia for years and years now, but Russia has a GDP less than California. They are ZERO threat to the world unless you encroach on their security (as the west has done repeatedly with NATO) and it gets to the point they use nukes. Other than that, they are a paper bear as we can see by how they are struggling with a 3rd tear country like Ukraine. We should have been trying to improve relations with Russia, but that goes against our globalist NATO goals. Again, The real enemy is China.

I just watched the Italian Job movie again over the weekend, and Skinny Pete(big black arms dealer) tells Charlie (Mark Wahlberg) at one point, that there's three things he doesn't mess with: Mother Nature, Mother-in-law, and Mutha-fkn Ukrainians. I'd forgotten that line, but it seems to fit. The badass Ukrainian gangster looks a lot like Zelensky.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Several things are likely

1. The western media is full of shit and we don’t know exactly what’s going on in Ukraine (highly likely since much of our media is government/IC controlled)

2. Russia wanted control of the entire country but will wind up settling for the Russian speaking eastern parts that should have been the compromise to end the war to begin with because those people want to be aligned with Russia anyway.

3. As I’ve been saying for a LONG time, the democrats have been whining about Russia for years and years now, but Russia has a GDP less than California. They are ZERO threat to the world unless you encroach on their security (as the west has done repeatedly with NATO) and it gets to the point they use nukes. Other than that, they are a paper bear as we can see by how they are struggling with a 3rd tear country like Ukraine. We should have been trying to improve relations with Russia, but that goes against our globalist NATO goals. Again, The real enemy is China.

Whole lotta cope going on in this post.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

In the south at Kherson the Russians cannot keep supply lines open to their troops on the west side of the Dnieper. They construct a new pontoon bridge and a HIMARS promptly takes it out.

Been rumors but this is the first it's been reported.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1569247076403249154

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[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Whole lotta cope going on in this post.

I’m one of the few telling the truth start to finish.

Guys like you are propagandized fools that think the US and NATO are the good guys, this was all unprovoked, and Russia is still a global bogey man hell bent on world domination. That is an idiotic world view. It’s 30 years in the past, but security is obviously always an issue.

Much like the US, Russia under Putin is simply a corrupt country enriching politicians and friends of the government. All they want is to do is get even richer. They have no interest in political domination. They want to do energy deals and natural resource deals globally and they want their borders secure from western encroachers like NATO.

It’s China and the US that are trying to to dominate the globe politically, but guys like you are too foolish to see the threat China is becoming while you are wasting time and resources with 2nd string counties like Russia.

The correct foreign policy always was and still is, keep NATO and the US out of the Eastern European countries, do business with Russia, form closer ties with Russia, and together offset the rise of China. Instead we are being dumber than a pile of rocks by driving Russia and China together in opposition to the US and Europe. It’s almost like we are trying to be idiots. And guys like you believe our press. It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad and dangerous.