The Confession of an Honest Greenie

[boxcar]

I can't wait to hear 'cap spin this story. Oh, 'cap...oh, 'cap, where art thou? You, too, can now come out of your closet. No conservative will bite you. I will keep everyone at bay for you. Don't worry, I have your back. I will protect your immediate environment. :

IPCC Expert admits UN goal is Wealth Redistribution

On Sunday, Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and IPCC Co-chair of Working Group III on Mitigation of Climate Change, told the Neue Zürcher Zeitung (translated) that “climate policy is redistributing the world's wealth” and that “it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...n_goal_is.html

And there's a lot more:

A leading member of the UN IPCC let the cat out the bag with this statement “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.”

And for a little more context via an exchange at the U.N.:

(NZZ AM SONNTAG): The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.

(OTTMAR EDENHOFFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.

(NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.

(EDENHOFFER): Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet – and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 – there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

(EDENHOFFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/20...limate-policy/

The cat is really out of this bag. But many of us were astute enough to realize all this long before now. So, this is old news to us.

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole

Sounds familiar, now where have we heard that before? Oh that's right, I've said it numerous times over the past couple of years. The people who still think this is about science and temperature and saving the planet are delusional. It's about the redistribution of wealth and power.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by boxcar

(OTTMAR EDENHOFFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there.

cap and trade - high on Obama's agenda. Africa will be the big winner.

[bigmack]

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[ArlJim78]

good video mack.

how many times do we hear from these progressive types that this or that is a "CRISIS" and that we "MUST ACT NOW!" and that "THE DEBATE IS OVER".

every stupid legislation over the past 2-3 years they went right to the fear machine.

We're killing the planet so we need cap and trade,
We're killing people without insurance so we need Obamacare
The global financial system will meltdown if we don't pass TARP.
We will enter a depression if we don't pass the stimulus.

and on
and on

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

cap and trade - high on Obama's agenda. Africa will be the big winner.

I expect BO to issue an EO to the EPA, telling them to get busy writing rules and regs. However, I'm not quite how the EPA would be able to tax us through the wazoo. That aspect could get sticky because I believe only congress has that authority.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

good video mack.

how many times do we hear from these progressive types that this or that is a "CRISIS" and that we "MUST ACT NOW!" and that "THE DEBATE IS OVER".

every stupid legislation over the past 2-3 years they went right to the fear machine.

We're killing the planet so we need cap and trade,
We're killing people without insurance so we need Obamacare
The global financial system will meltdown if we don't pass TARP.
We will enter a depression if we don't pass the stimulus.

and on
and on

Well, we are talking about the the Party of Fear Mongers.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

good video mack.

If you get a chance, it's on YT. Something like 7-8 parts. Very well done and explains much of the genesis.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by boxcar

However, I'm not quite how the EPA would be able to tax us through the wazoo.
Boxcar

I don't know that any direct tax is needed.
Companies will just pass along their costs to consumers. The cost of cap and trade will be reflected in virtually every product that you buy.

[boxcar]

It seems the libs are avoiding this topic like the plague. But I suppose I could be imagining things...

Planet Earth calling 'cap. Are you out there?

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

Bad Science (BS) + the United Nations = GW hoax.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

Bad Science (BS) + the United Nations = GW hoax.

You left out an important part of the equation: AG+BS+UN = GWH.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Gore admits that politics was very much on his mind when he pushed for first generation subsidies for ethanol, and that it was a big mistake. In fact, he also confessed that the "energy conversion ratios are at best very small".

How come these enlightened, know-it-all, pseudo-intellectuals can never see see things clearly for what they are before the fact but, yet, so many of us conservatives who are so often portrayed as being "undereducated, backwards, white, angry, racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, gun totin', bible clingers" get it right the first time so often!?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gore...t-good-policy/

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Over the weekend, Big Al was quoted as saying:

“There was severe drought in Russia and extreme flooding in Pakistan. What more evidence is required for action,” he said at HT Leadership Summit.

[Tom]

“There was severe drought in Russia and extreme flooding in Pakistan. What more evidence is required for action,” he said at HT Leadership Summit.

Global averaging.

Al Gore is my new litmus test for imbeciles.