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11-03-2019, 01:46 AM
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#31
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,651
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
Your idiotic posts aren’t worth a response.
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No answer as to why jockeys continue to participate in what is apparently the equivalent of Russian Roulette?
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11-03-2019, 02:13 AM
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Journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 98
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Tyler Gaffe and War of Will almost caused a disaster in the Kentucky Derby and they were back up to their dangerous tricks in the BC Classic. This time a horse lost it's life. Next time it may be six jockeys. Both should be banned from racing.
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11-03-2019, 02:17 AM
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#33
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,651
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DGroundhog
Tyler Gaffe and War of Will almost caused a disaster in the Kentucky Derby and they were back up to their dangerous tricks in the BC Classic. This time a horse lost it's life. Next time it may be six jockeys. Both should be banned from racing.
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Do you ever post when good stuff happens? Or are you nothing but doom, gloom, and absurd theories?
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11-03-2019, 02:43 AM
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#34
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 282
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DGroundhog
Tyler Gaffe and War of Will almost caused a disaster in the Kentucky Derby and they were back up to their dangerous tricks in the BC Classic. This time a horse lost it's life. Next time it may be six jockeys. Both should be banned from racing.
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fwiw I just watched the race for the first time about 10 minutes ago on Youtube. I didn't know the poor horse died, but it looked pretty clear that WoW kicked the hell out of his leg and had caused a serious injury.
Anywho, that was what I saw and thought as I watched it.
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11-03-2019, 02:53 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 692
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papillon
fwiw I just watched the race for the first time about 10 minutes ago on Youtube. I didn't know the poor horse died, but it looked pretty clear that WoW kicked the hell out of his leg and had caused a serious injury.
Anywho, that was what I saw and thought as I watched it.
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Not seeing it.
The first sign of distress can be seen at the 5:07 mark of DGroudhog's first link. Before any contact was possible. MG bore in.
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11-03-2019, 02:58 AM
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#36
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,651
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Originally Posted by clocker7
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Of course you're not seeing it, because it isn't there. These people are clueless, exposed nerves, that have only one gear...
There was NOBODY near the horse when he broke down...no contact whatsoever...
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11-03-2019, 02:59 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 692
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Of course you're not seeing it, because it isn't there. These people are clueless, exposed nerves, that have only one gear...
There was NOBODY near the horse when he broke down...no contact whatsoever...
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Yup
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11-03-2019, 05:02 AM
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#38
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,725
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
If things actually WERE different. If horses were suddenly DYING when none had died before, you MIGHT have a point.
But you don't.
Why were you cool with horses dying for centuries at racetracks...but now...not so much?
You've been on this board over NINE years...and you're piping up now?
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You want to know the dirty little secret, Santa Anita has had it's fewest number of deaths at the track since 2011.
So, why is there suddenly so much outrage over it?
It's simply because the propagandists with their anti horse racing agenda have decided it's time to strike.
You can present everyone with this fact and it means nothing. They ignore it. They do not care.
Add in developers who see valuable land that can be had if California bans racing.
Mix it with the new generation of "journalists" who actually believe their job is to make a difference in society and you have a perfect storm.
A corrupt media, supporting propagandinsts pushed by a land grab.
History is meaningless.
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11-03-2019, 05:56 AM
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#39
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 518
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I said it months ago, it was a terrible decision to leave the BC at Santa Anita. The inevitable happened, and now we're likely to either lose or see California (and subsequently west coast racing) diminished. They could've ran the BC literally anywhere else and not exposed the sport to this threat
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11-03-2019, 07:00 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 313
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I don't agree with that. While the initial exposure would be less, the argument that lesser horses were being forced to race on an unsafe surface that everyone knew was dangerous and the BC avoided sounds even more damning.
Unfortunately racing is a sport where accidents happen, and the standard Santa Anita is being held to is perfection. Until that changes any death will be used to create more headlines.
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11-03-2019, 08:12 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 3,822
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Quote:
Originally Posted by depalma113
You want to know the dirty little secret, Santa Anita has had it's fewest number of deaths at the track since 2011.
So, why is there suddenly so much outrage over it?
It's simply because the propagandists with their anti horse racing agenda have decided it's time to strike.
You can present everyone with this fact and it means nothing. They ignore it. They do not care.
Add in developers who see valuable land that can be had if California bans racing.
Mix it with the new generation of "journalists" who actually believe their job is to make a difference in society and you have a perfect storm.
A corrupt media, supporting propagandinsts pushed by a land grab.
History is meaningless.
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Could you provide a link to that data? I found a Paulick Report article from 2012 that said 12 horses died at Santa Anita, and you're claiming it was more than 36. There's a 2017 LA Times article saying there were 16 deaths in the winter meet, which is also a lot less than 36. Where are you getting your numbers?
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11-03-2019, 08:13 AM
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#42
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
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Quote:
Originally Posted by depalma113
You want to know the dirty little secret, Santa Anita has had it's fewest number of deaths at the track since 2011.
So, why is there suddenly so much outrage over it?
It's simply because the propagandists with their anti horse racing agenda have decided it's time to strike.
You can present everyone with this fact and it means nothing. They ignore it. They do not care.
Add in developers who see valuable land that can be had if California bans racing.
Mix it with the new generation of "journalists" who actually believe their job is to make a difference in society and you have a perfect storm.
A corrupt media, supporting propagandinsts pushed by a land grab.
History is meaningless.
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That's not true. The statistics used to support that talking point include deaths from disease, which are of course down because our short fields mean a smaller horse population.
The 30 deaths this winter ON THE TRACK were a high in recent years.
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11-03-2019, 08:15 AM
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#43
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamt
I don't agree with that. While the initial exposure would be less, the argument that lesser horses were being forced to race on an unsafe surface that everyone knew was dangerous and the BC avoided sounds even more damning.
Unfortunately racing is a sport where accidents happen, and the standard Santa Anita is being held to is perfection. Until that changes any death will be used to create more headlines.
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That's a bad argument. If the BC had been moved, cancelling Santa Anita for a period of time again would have been an option. They couldn't do that with the BC there no matter how unsafe the dirt surface is.
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11-03-2019, 08:17 AM
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#44
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
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Originally Posted by clocker7
I used to post at several racing sites when the internet got a critical mass going. Two in particular. Lots of traffic each.
Trouble was, the site owners allowed animal rights advocates and fake horse racing "fans" to hammer them constantly with negative articles and comments. It got so demoralizing that the regulars drifted away. During that time I occasionally opined to set up separate subtopics so that the issue could be discussed without having so much in-your-face negativity.
One has been gone for years. The other (pedigreequery) rarely gets posts anymore.
Again, I recommend a separate subsection, and banishment for those who post outside of it.
Just trying to be helpful and fair.
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That isn't going to this go away you know.
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11-03-2019, 08:19 AM
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#45
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpCat
Man your just burying yourself deeper and deeper. The circus is still alive and well in America. Maybe you thought Ringling Bros. was the only one.
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And horse racing will continue in Kentucky long after California bans it.
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