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01-11-2019, 12:04 PM
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#976
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gelding
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01-11-2019, 12:06 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chiguy
Fences and walls around cemeteries and yet people are still getting in every day.
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AND...getting out to vote for democrats!
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01-11-2019, 12:08 PM
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#978
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gelding
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01-11-2019, 12:25 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
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Getting nuttier by the day...hour...minute?
Like Ralph says, it's all gravy at this point.
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01-11-2019, 12:33 PM
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gelding
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Getting nuttier by the day...hour...minute?
Like Ralph says, it's all gravy at this point.
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But wouldn't it be even better if Trump dropped the pretense and just went full autocrat??
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01-11-2019, 12:34 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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If Trump can legally do it, why not? Obama and Bush before him took whatever they could get away with legally...why not Trump?
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01-11-2019, 12:48 PM
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gelding
Join Date: Oct 2008
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01-11-2019, 12:50 PM
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Registered User
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01-11-2019, 01:02 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Denver
Posts: 4,163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
If Trump can legally do it, why not? Obama and Bush before him took whatever they could get away with legally...why not Trump?
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It may not be as easy as you think. Most people probably don't realize (1) the government doesn't own most of the land that they expect to build the wall on, and (2) those people who do own the land and don't want to give it up have the ultimate hole card - the 5th Amendment of the Constitution.
Excerpt from Above the Law:
People need to understand, the government does not own a 2,000-mile long stretch of land between the U.S. and Mexico. The people who do own it, which includes privates citizens, farmers, and churches, do not want to sell it. The government will have to take it from them.
There is no “military eminent domain” that Trump can invoke, national emergency or not, that supersedes the Fifth Amendment. And the Fifth Amendment only allows for takings for public use and just compensation. People will fight the government’s definition of “just” compensation. People will fight the government’s definition of “public” use. There’s a whole part of takings cannon that deals with whether or not the land is being taken in whole or only in part. People will fight by saying that their whole parcels are being commandeered by the erection of an ugly 30-foot physical barrier.
THIS WALL WILL NOT HAPPEN. There’s no conceivable way that the courts are going to let the government take all of this land, for a dubious public use, when less intrusive measures can be used to accomplish the stated public purposes, at a price point that the government is willing or able to pay.
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01-11-2019, 01:18 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-sawed-n956856
President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.
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01-11-2019, 01:26 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-sawed-n956856
President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.
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Not an electrified one.
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01-11-2019, 01:27 PM
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#989
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Registered User
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Location: Boston+Ocala
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-sawed-n956856
President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.
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they can't stop people on the borders in the South of Spain with electrical fences from getting through.
there is a crisis on all our borders, if the president was serious he would forget the wall and go with bullets, landmines, and bombs if he has to.
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01-11-2019, 01:35 PM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
Posts: 52,611
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I heard on the radio here in Houston this morning that there is a plan being floated in the State Legislature to bring a law that would allow any border area type who wants to keep their land, to be able to keep it. The state of Texas would then move the border north of their land and cede them to Mexico.
Love it!!!
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