Racist WHITE cop manhandles tiny BLACK kid.

[Ocala Mike]

Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses

(where you also throw your Italian American Howard Beach brethren under the bus)

I don't know about the "beloved PA member" part of your post, but I'm not sure who you think I threw under the bus.

If you're referring to my actual biological brothers, I did everything I could to try and keep them in the co-op, then assisted them in finding another place to live on the estate's dime.

If you're referring to the co-op board members and the "brethren" who were my brother's neighbors, they were indeed mostly white but not primarily Italian-American. There were, to the best of my knowledge, no blacks living in the co-op. I guess I'm just confused about your point.

As far as 2015 race relations go, I live in a rural area 15 miles outside of Ocala in an "integrated" horse farm area. One neighbor is a white born-again Christian, two neighbors are hispanic (Mexican and Cuban, I believe), and there is a black family on 15 acres up the block. Ocala is moderately peaceful racially now, although there was trouble maybe 20 years ago.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

There is an "excuse" for manhandling a 14 yr old in a bikini. It's called "effecting an arrest"

Once he tells her she is under arrest, or that she is being detained he can use the necessary force to arrrest or detain. End of story. Now whether that arrrest/detainment is lawful or warranted is a matter for the courts. 14 yr old girls don't get to make that decision by resisting arrrest.

Compliance is a requirement of the law.

So, tell us how this effecting an arrest worked out for the POS that used to be a cop???

Nevermind. I'll tell you. The disgrace of the town lost his job... The smartass kid that helped to cause a small amount of trouble is about to own half of McKinney....all because of a piece of human filth who proved himself a coward of the highest order.

You may want to stop posting to half the board that they don't know what they're talking about. The results and reality is what it is. The coward is out of a job. No one respects a coward that roughs up girls in bikinis

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

There is an "excuse" for manhandling a 14 yr old in a bikini. It's called "effecting an arrest"

Once he tells her she is under arrest, or that she is being detained he can use the necessary force to arrrest or detain. End of story. Now whether that arrrest/detainment is lawful or warranted is a matter for the courts. 14 yr old girls don't get to make that decision by resisting arrrest.

Compliance is a requirement of the law.

Except she was never arrested. There was only one person arrested so far and the charges were dropped today. The question I ask of you why did you assume she was arrested and that she was resisting arrest?

[cj's dad]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Compliance is a requirement of the law.

Nothing else needs o be said !! Obey the command or face toe consequences !!!

[johnhannibalsmith]

Because everything is resisting arrest these days. Then when they tackle you down for "resisting" and bang their knee, you get assault on LEO to go with it. And in this case, the mob approaches you once you've made your takedown for no reason other than the fact that it can be legally justified and now you are prone on the ground and have to scramble up and draw your weapon on the new "threats". Yeah, this guy was the picture of protocol. Barney Fife reincarnated, always in lockstep with what the law allows him to get away with rather than with common sense.

[Robert Goren]

As for the reason the Cop acted the way he did is being reported as he had been on two suicide calls earlier in his shift. Nobody ever said a cop job is easy. They are dealing with crisis after another. Ironically this may have been the "easiest" call of his shift. That does excuse what he did though. At least in this case, nobody ended up dead or seriously hurt. It seems to me that everybody, including the cop, got off lucky. A fire cracker going off at the wrong time and thing could have gotten a lot uglier.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

So, tell us how this effecting an arrest worked out for the POS that used to be a cop???

Nevermind. I'll tell you. The disgrace of the town lost his job... The smartass kid that helped to cause a small amount of trouble is about to own half of McKinney....all because of a piece of human filth who proved himself a coward of the highest order.

You may want to stop posting to half the board that they don't know what they're talking about. The results and reality is what it is. The coward is out of a job. No one respects a coward that roughs up girls in bikinis

He was a 15 yr law enforcement officer. He was not a coward. I don't think he acted appropriately, but he was within the law. She was not. One incident does not make him a coward or a bad cop. Nobody was injured, nobody killed etc. two years ago he gets a letter of reprimand. Today he's a sacrificial lamb. Due to politics. 90% of the people commenting on this couldn't even get hired by a law enforcement agency. This guy passed muster with the State Police and the City of McKinney. Served 15 yrs. you can use all the inflammatory language you want. It's bullshit and unrealistic.

The kid will not get a huge settlement. There are no injuries to support it. They will give the kids a token payoff. Only because they are cowards who don't want face up to the professional left.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Except she was never arrested. There was only one person arrested so far and the charges were dropped today. The question I ask of you why did you assume she was arrested and that she was resisting arrest?

What part of being detained don't you understand?

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Because everything is resisting arrest these days. Then when they tackle you down for "resisting" and bang their knee, you get assault on LEO to go with it. And in this case, the mob approaches you once you've made your takedown for no reason other than the fact that it can be legally justified and now you are prone on the ground and have to scramble up and draw your weapon on the new "threats". Yeah, this guy was the picture of protocol. Barney Fife reincarnated, always in lockstep with what the law allows him to get away with rather than with common sense.

And that may be true. But he is legally in the right. The law is written that way for a reason. Has every person you ever worked with always done things according to the most common sensical manner available at the moment? Nobody performs perfectly all the time. Nobody got hurt, killed etc. Yet the Police dept Rolled the bus over him. There may be internal reasons for that. Maybe we will find out in the future. In the real world prior to Ferguson, this guy gets a couple of days off at most.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

...90% of the people commenting on this couldn't even get hired by a law enforcement agency. ...t.

Now there's a concrete statement. Knows CJs Dad and not sure who else is in this thread, guessing absolutely noone, but already knows he's way more qualified then them based on their Obama posts.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

And that may be true. But he is legally in the right. The law is written that way for a reason. Has every person you ever worked with always done things according to the most common sensical manner available at the moment? Nobody performs perfectly all the time. Nobody got hurt, killed etc. Yet the Police dept Rolled the bus over him. There may be internal reasons for that. Maybe we will find out in the future. In the real world prior to Ferguson, this guy gets a couple of days off at most.

I understand Ralph. To be honest I think it is ridiculous that he's being tagged as racist and forcing him out as a PR solution is something I don't particularly like to see - especially since I can concede he wasn't exactly outside the law. But that is just an indictment against the reality that nobody seems to ever appreciate that having the right to do something or being justified in doing something doesn't warrant actually doing it. It was legally justified, but otherwise totally idiotic in nearly every way. Unfortunately for him, he's getting the treatment that is usually reserved for the other side - judgment and punishment from someone other than the court system based on a momentary snapshot of a moment in time without context.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

And that may be true. But he is legally in the right. The law is written that way for a reason. Has every person you ever worked with always done things according to the most common sensical manner available at the moment? Nobody performs perfectly all the time. Nobody got hurt, killed etc. Yet the Police dept Rolled the bus over him. There may be internal reasons for that. Maybe we will find out in the future. In the real world prior to Ferguson, this guy gets a couple of days off at most.

I guess some good came out of Ferguson after all. You still have not given me one reason why he was "within the law" in his behavior, and what law exactly was she breaking. I say again, she was not detained, he told her to leave and she was walking. So how can you justify his actions?

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

what law exactly was she breaking. I say again, she was not detained, he told her to leave and she was walking.

As I understand the situation, it was a pool party on private property with a lot of uninvited kids crashing the party. She was probably told to leave the premises and likely mouthed off with something to the effect of 'I don't have to' or 'you can't make me.'

For starters I'd guess she disobeyed the direct orders of a law enforcement officer. Depending upon circumstances that could lead to being arrested.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

And that may be true. But he is legally in the right. The law is written that way for a reason. Has every person you ever worked with always done things according to the most common sensical manner available at the moment? Nobody performs perfectly all the time. Nobody got hurt, killed etc. Yet the Police dept Rolled the bus over him. There may be internal reasons for that. Maybe we will find out in the future. In the real world prior to Ferguson, this guy gets a couple of days off at most.

For what it's worth, I agree with all that you've said here, Ralph........Way overblown due to recent major unfortunate events influencing minor situations like this. Just my ONE cent, Uncle Sam took the other.....

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

What part of being detained don't you understand?

Just relaying what Fox News reported on air today. They said she was not arrested. They said only person was arrested was a 19 year old male and the charges were dropped. Where did you hear she was detained? Why would she be detained and not arrested? You are right, I don't understand.