Special counsel Robert Mueller

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

WOW Hcap, you couldn't be any deeper in that rabbit hole you're digging in....

Dig another foot or two and we'll start shoveling the dirt back on top of you...

Where all these Trump haters lack understanding is everyone of note Gates, Buffett etc. save the world crowd have in common is they made lots of money first. None of them decided to give it away or save the world on the way up. Today we have a chief executive who has done it all, this is guy who wants to exceed everything in accomplishments President Ronald Reagan has. This is extremely dangerous to democrats because because Donald J. Trump will not stop there.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

There are at least 3,000 U.S. companies doing business in Russia and they all must be breaking the law, per the Trump standard. Among them some very well known names. http://www.aalep.eu/american-companies-operating-russia

This list doesn't count law firms, real estate firms or individuals. Throw them all in jail

Why are you ducking?

Trump Used To Disparage An Anti-Bribery Law; Will He Enforce It Now?
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/08/56105...enforce-it-now

"Many companies were making routine bribes to the heads of governments and others in countries, just to simply buy the business," said Meredith McGehee, chief of policy, programs and strategy at Issue One, a nonprofit organization that looks at money in politics.

The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act applies to any company with a U.S. connection, including foreign firms traded on U.S. exchanges. Companies that have been prosecuted over the years include Siemens, Goodyear, Daimler AG, Alcoa and Halliburton.

"Essentially, [the law] makes it illegal for companies and officers of those companies, to influence foreign officials with anything of value, any bribes," McGehee said.

"And 'bribes' is defined very broadly; there's not a need for a quid pro quo. It's essentially anything of value that you are giving to influence a foreign official to promote your business, or to promote getting a contract or any other benefit for your company," she added.

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Can't you understand bribing Putin with a 50 million dollar penthouse apartment, is an outright beaching of the law?

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

Why are you ducking?

Trump Used To Disparage An Anti-Bribery Law; Will He Enforce It Now?
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/08/56105...enforce-it-now

"Many companies were making routine bribes to the heads of governments and others in countries, just to simply buy the business," said Meredith McGehee, chief of policy, programs and strategy at Issue One, a nonprofit organization that looks at money in politics.

The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act applies to any company with a U.S. connection, including foreign firms traded on U.S. exchanges. Companies that have been prosecuted over the years include Siemens, Goodyear, Daimler AG, Alcoa and Halliburton.

"Essentially, [the law] makes it illegal for companies and officers of those companies, to influence foreign officials with anything of value, any bribes," McGehee said.

"And 'bribes' is defined very broadly; there's not a need for a quid pro quo. It's essentially anything of value that you are giving to influence a foreign official to promote your business, or to promote getting a contract or any other benefit for your company," she added.

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Can't you understand bribing Putin with a 50 million dollar penthouse apartment, is an outright beaching of the law?

only if it puts Hillary in jail ... by the way, has Mueller found anything connecting Hillary with the Russians and the election? or has he given all of her friends immunity for questioning and they know nothing?

[hcap]

End Game: Mueller signaled this week that he’s ready. Is Trump?
https://www.alternet.org/end-game-mu...es-ready-trump

.....It’s been axiomatic from the start of the Russia investigation that it is different from Watergate in one important way: the crimes that Nixon committed behind closed doors in the White House secretly, Trump is committing out in the open.

Repeatedly lying to the American public? Every time Trump tweets or opens his mouth. Obstruction of justice? Firing Comey. Firing Sessions. Calling Mueller’s investigation a “witch hunt” and calling for its end. Tampering with witnesses? Dangling pardons. Engaging in a cover-up of a crime? As he lives and breathes.

But there is one thing Donald Trump and his people have sought to keep secret from the earliest days of his campaign right up to the present moment: their connections with Russians. If, in the past, we thought we knew about most of the Russian contacts, events this week have taught us that we were wrong.
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Trump is and has been sleeping with the Russians.
Don't look chumpsters. Bitch about Hillary and Obama instead

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by hcap

End Game: Mueller signaled this week that he’s ready. Is Trump?

All Lib followers are just like Herr Bueller, reduced to nothing but shooting spitwads…..Next.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

All Lib followers are just like Herr Bueller, reduced to nothing but shooting spitwads…..Next.

Mueller is meticulously building his case. Is Trump sleeping withe Russians besides the point?
No, it is a motive.

Motive (law) A motive, in law, especially criminal law, is the cause that moves people to induce a certain action. ... "Intent" in criminal law is synonymous with Mens rea, which means the mental state shows liability which is enforced by law as an element of a crime.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by hcap Sancho

Don Quixote is meticulously building his case. Is Trump sleeping withe Russians besides the point?
No, it is a motive.

Motive (law) A motive, in law, especially criminal law, is the cause that moves people to induce a certain action. ... "Intent" in criminal law is synonymous with Mens rea, which means the mental state shows liability which is enforced by law as an element of a crime.

Lil' Squire Sancho always at the ready to prop up his Don Quixote...

[hcap]

Stephen Colbert has revealed the (spoof) floor plan for the penthouse apartment that the Trump Organization reportedly considered gifting to Russian President Vladimir Putin in its planned Moscow Trump Tower that never got built.

“Now, $50 million sounds like a lot but this place was move-in dictator ready,” Colbert joked on Friday’s broadcast of “The Late Show.”

Colbert imagined the pad having a walk-in gulag and an open-concept tiger pit. But he did have some doubts about the neighbors.

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[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by hcap

Every time Trump tweets or opens his mouth. Obstruction of justice? Firing Comey. Firing Sessions. Calling Mueller’s investigation a “witch hunt” and calling for its end.

Sorry hcap.
You may not like it, but the President has the power to fire Comey, Sessions, and insult Mueller if he so wishes.
None of that is Obstruction of Justice, according to Alan Dershowitz.
Nor is it a crime to consult or conduct business with Russians.
If you don't like all that sort of stuff, then you don't like the American Constitution and should try to get it changed.
So far you've just served us very weak tea.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Sorry hcap.
You may not like it, but the President has the power to fire Comey, Sessions, and insult Mueller if he so wishes.
None of that is Obstruction of Justice, according to Alan Dershowitz.
Nor is it a crime to consult or conduct business with Russians.
If you don't like all that sort of stuff, then you don't like the American Constitution and should try to get it changed.
So far you've just served us very weak tea.

Yes the prsident may have all of those powers , unless it can be shown there was a "corrupt intent." Dershowitwitz is a FAUX shill.
There are other legal scholars who dispute his unlimited "powers"

Trump seems determined to show ‘corrupt intent’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.d883202ba8be

Laurence H. Tribe, a constitutional scholar and Supreme Court advocate, likewise cautions that “what Trump has said about Sessions isn’t equivalent to telling the attorney general ‘You’re fired unless you direct your deputy discharge Mueller by close of business today.’ ”

Obstruction is a crime of intent, and even a failed attempt to obstruct justice is prosecutable, Tribe notes, under 18 U.S.C. § 1503 , which provides that “whoever corruptly . . . endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense).” Tribe explains: “At the very least, therefore, even if one buys the distinction between ‘should’ and more imperative language, this was an ‘endeavor’ to undercut the investigation by pressuring Sessions to take the illegal and unethical action of re-inserting himself into the investigation and shutting down Mueller’s probe.”


President Trump’s lack of self-control has never been so apparent. At a time when reports suggest that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is looking at tweets for evidence of “corrupt intent’ — a necessary element of the crime of obstruction of justice — Trump serves up tweets that evidence corrupt intent.

Is the tweet suggesting Attorney General Jeff Sessions shut down the Mueller investigation, in itself, obstruction of justice? That is what Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and other Democrats have asserted. As a legal matter, however, it is far from clear that the tweet, in and of itself, is obstruction.

“Had Trump directed a recused AG to terminate an investigation into his conduct and the conduct of those around him in private, we would almost surely deem it a criminal act,” says Joyce White Vance, a former federal prosecutor. “He should not get a pass because he has either the brashness or the foolishness to do this in public.”

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by hcap

Yes the prsident may have all of those powers , unless it can be shown there was a "corrupt intent." Dershowitwitz is a FAUX shill.
There are other legal scholars who dispute his unlimited "powers"

Trump seems determined to show ‘corrupt intent’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.d883202ba8be

Laurence H. Tribe, a constitutional scholar and Supreme Court advocate, likewise cautions that “what Trump has said about Sessions isn’t equivalent to telling the attorney general ‘You’re fired unless you direct your deputy discharge Mueller by close of business today.’ ”

Obstruction is a crime of intent, and even a failed attempt to obstruct justice is prosecutable, Tribe notes, under 18 U.S.C. § 1503 , which provides that “whoever corruptly . . . endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense).” Tribe explains: “At the very least, therefore, even if one buys the distinction between ‘should’ and more imperative language, this was an ‘endeavor’ to undercut the investigation by pressuring Sessions to take the illegal and unethical action of re-inserting himself into the investigation and shutting down Mueller’s probe.”


President Trump’s lack of self-control has never been so apparent. At a time when reports suggest that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is looking at tweets for evidence of “corrupt intent’ — a necessary element of the crime of obstruction of justice — Trump serves up tweets that evidence corrupt intent.

Is the tweet suggesting Attorney General Jeff Sessions shut down the Mueller investigation, in itself, obstruction of justice? That is what Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and other Democrats have asserted. As a legal matter, however, it is far from clear that the tweet, in and of itself, is obstruction.

“Had Trump directed a recused AG to terminate an investigation into his conduct and the conduct of those around him in private, we would almost surely deem it a criminal act,” says Joyce White Vance, a former federal prosecutor. “He should not get a pass because he has either the brashness or the foolishness to do this in public.”

Do you have a craft booth at the mall?

I mean with all the straws you keep grasping at you got to be making these...


by the truck load.

[Tom]

“Had Trump directed a recused AG to terminate an investigation into his conduct and the conduct of those around him in private, we would almost surely deem it a criminal act,” says Joyce White Vance, a former federal prosecutor. “He should not get a pass because he has either the brashness or the foolishness to do this in public.”

Fact Free.
Nothing more than an opinion.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Sorry hcap.
You may not like it, but the President has the power to fire Comey, Sessions, and insult Mueller if he so wishes.
None of that is Obstruction of Justice, according to Alan Dershowitz.
Nor is it a crime to consult or conduct business with Russians.
If you don't like all that sort of stuff, then you don't like the American Constitution and should try to get it changed.
So far you've just served us very weak tea.

Thank you for pointing out the Constitution and laws apply equally to all and lawful permitted acts do not become crimes because you or your elks (nod to Tom) do not like the person or his personality.

[Show Me the Wire]

hcap,

If anything your post on Trump's intent proves extreme carelessness and not mens rea.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by hcap

Dershowitwitz is a FAUX shill.

Yeah sure. That's why he voted for Hilarity Clinton.
(Dershowitz voted Democrat in the last election.
From what I can determine he's and independent thinker.)