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09-19-2018, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by theiman
How many Arabians are racing in the USA?
As far as I know there are no full card Arabian races carded at any track. Delaware has had a few in the past and Los Al used to have them, plus the CA Fairs. I think the last race on either Big Cap day or SA Derby Day at SA has a stakes race.
No supply, no racing fans or betting.
Here is the race schedule for 2018 for Arabian racing in the USA
https://34z5as1d9gu01m1geu13gzkc-wpe...etcalendar.pdf
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Delaware averages about 1 Arabian race a day on a 9-race card. Sometimes they miss a day, occasionally they run two. They're always at the end of the card. If any other tracks run as many as Delaware, I haven't heard of it.
While horses breaking down is awful, Arabian horses do break down, and having slower but slightly more durable horses run all races would not "save" racing. As Dave pointed out, changing the tax laws so it's lucrative to breed horses would be the one thing that might give us full fields again.
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09-19-2018, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
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Make any historical claim at all here and within 24 hours, Spalding will be here to refute it.
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09-19-2018, 11:16 PM
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I would have to agree with horses breaking down. Never liked Arabian racing because it’s like there is no pace or strategy ....simply come out the gate and run as far as you can in semi slow motion. Similar to pacers and trotters but more defined. I have never seen any exciting stretch runs and I’ve watched any of them at Delaware Park.
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09-19-2018, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
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As I said, "I've" never witnessed a Arabian horse pull up or break down due to unsoundness.
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09-20-2018, 12:07 AM
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My daughter used to have an Arab. They really are nice horses... but so small.
Truthfully, I don't miss owning horses. Between training, vet and farrier bills... and all that stall mucking. LOL
But I do kind of miss seeing the babies running loose in the back yard.
Could never own a racehorse, though. I get too connected to them as "people." LOL
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09-20-2018, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
As I said, "I've" never witnessed a Arabian horse pull up or break down due to unsoundness.
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You didn't watch the 2013 Breeder's Cup World Championship series or tune in to Churchill's "Downs After Dark" Stephen Foster card in 2014?
Well if you didn't, plenty of other people did. Those runnings of the President of the United Arab Emirates were televised nationally...
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09-20-2018, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
You didn't watch the 2013 Breeder's Cup World Championship series or tune in to Churchill's "Downs After Dark" Stephen Foster card in 2014?
Well if you didn't, plenty of other people did. Those runnings of the President of the United Arab Emirates were televised nationally...
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Spalding, If I'd watched it I would have said I HAVE seen an Arab either pull up or break down because of injury.
I'm not contesting your findings. I'm telling you my experiences.
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09-20-2018, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Spalding, If I'd watched it I would have said I HAVE seen an Arab either pull up or break down because of injury.
I'm not contesting your findings. I'm telling you my experiences.
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Fair enough, but understand when you preface your post with your "40 years on the track" ostensibly you are implying you are--if not an expert--at least a casual observer of Arabian racing.
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09-20-2018, 12:59 AM
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Since we’re so deeply engaged in the age of robotics within so many sectors of our society, why not take this all a step further. Lets promote the concept of replacing all of the flesh-and-blood race horses (which some seem to think of as pets) with running robotic horses. You know: machines.
It would eliminate so many aspects and personnel in the game and make them all obsolete.
Yes there would of course be the Owners, but instead of trainers you would have both mechanical and electrical technicians tuning and maintaining these machines.
Instead of Breeders you would have manufacturing companies with designers, engineers and machinists producing them to the uniform specs of racing jurisdictions. Imagine exotically motorized light-weight sleek carbon fiber frames and bodies with enhanced sound effects.
Instead of Jockeys the Owners or their selected representatives could be sitting in the clubhouse with joysticks, cameras and video remote controlling the operation of their racing machines during every aspect of the race.
Even the start of every race could be more accurately controlled electrically and the actual race monitored more precisely.
Just imagine: No feed, no stalls, no drugs, no Vets, and perhaps even the introduction of harder racing surfaces to enhance the speed of these machines.
Corporate sponsors could get involved just as they do with NASCAR and other forms of racing.
And of course, from the player’s perspective they would have the ability to literally develop extremely accurate statistical performance racing data.
Just let your imagination run wild if you’re really willing to consider the replacement of the thoroughbred and its long and traditional part of our worldwide racing history.
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09-20-2018, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
Fair enough, but understand when you preface your post with your "40 years on the track" ostensibly you are implying you are--if not an expert--at least a casual observer of Arabian racing.
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I'm much more than a casual observer. As the voice of the Cal. Fairs for 20 years I called hundreds of Arabian races. To this day I'm still a fan of Arabian racing. Let's say I saw ONE pull up bad. It wouldn't change the premise of my initial post.
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09-20-2018, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitro
Instead of Jockeys the Owners or their selected representatives could be sitting in the clubhouse with joysticks, cameras and video remote controlling the operation of their racing machines during every aspect of the race.
Even the start of every race could be more accurately controlled electrically and the actual race monitored more precisely.
Just let your imagination run wild if you’re really willing to consider the replacement of the thoroughbred and its long and traditional part of our worldwide racing history.
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Some of our fellow posters had your idea long ago....
The late Perry Tunks AKA Robert Goren, had as his signature, the following:
"Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will be betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here"."
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09-20-2018, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
As I said, "I've" never witnessed a Arabian horse pull up or break down due to unsoundness.
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And you've witnessed far, far, FAR fewer Arabian races then you have T-bred races...agree?
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09-20-2018, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
And you've witnessed far, far, FAR fewer Arabian races then you have T-bred races...agree?
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Even so, I bet if he had witnessed the same number of Thoroughbred as Arabian races, he would have witnessed more breakdowns and/or injuries among the Thoroughbreds. I'm sure he would say he's seen a higher % of this in T-bred races.
T-breds are much more fragile than Arabs.
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09-20-2018, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitro
Since we’re so deeply engaged in the age of robotics within so many sectors of our society, why not take this all a step further. Lets promote the concept of replacing all of the flesh-and-blood race horses (which some seem to think of as pets) with running robotic horses. You know: machines.
It would eliminate so many aspects and personnel in the game and make them all obsolete.
Yes there would of course be the Owners, but instead of trainers you would have both mechanical and electrical technicians tuning and maintaining these machines.
Instead of Breeders you would have manufacturing companies with designers, engineers and machinists producing them to the uniform specs of racing jurisdictions. Imagine exotically motorized light-weight sleek carbon fiber frames and bodies with enhanced sound effects.
Instead of Jockeys the Owners or their selected representatives could be sitting in the clubhouse with joysticks, cameras and video remote controlling the operation of their racing machines during every aspect of the race.
Even the start of every race could be more accurately controlled electrically and the actual race monitored more precisely.
Just imagine: No feed, no stalls, no drugs, no Vets, and perhaps even the introduction of harder racing surfaces to enhance the speed of these machines.
Corporate sponsors could get involved just as they do with NASCAR and other forms of racing.
And of course, from the player’s perspective they would have the ability to literally develop extremely accurate statistical performance racing data.
Just let your imagination run wild if you’re really willing to consider the replacement of the thoroughbred and its long and traditional part of our worldwide racing history.
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Reminds me of the episode of the "Twilight Zone" where Lee Marvin played Battling Maxo. A human who fights a robot who have replaced humans in boxing. I think there was a movie called "Blue Steel" with a similar theme.
On the Jetsons in the future robots have replaced humans in football.
Edit - Battling Maxo was the robot who Lee Marvin, his manager, impersonated when he broke down in order to still get the purse.
Last edited by bobphilo; 09-20-2018 at 05:49 AM.
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09-20-2018, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
All thoroughbred racing was discontinued? And replaced by Arabian racing? What's the ONE thing you hate the most about our game? For me, by a landslide, it's when horses break down. In my 40 years on the track I've never seen an Arab pull up badly.
Once the transition was made almost all things would be very similar.
Breed the best to the best and hope for the best.
Horses would stay sounder longer and therefore stay in training for the fans to enjoy.
The owner would still invest big money if they had purses good enough to run at.
The best trainers would still command the biggest barns.
The best jockeys would still win the most races.
There would still be the Arabian versions of Zenyatta, Justify, Winx, et al
The competition would be just as dramatic. A thrilling nose bobbing whacker to the wire would get the blood pumping just the same.
The people would pump money through the windows just as before.
Only difference is the horses would be running much slower.
Being the best of the best can still be exalted whether they finish in 107 flat or 114.
That's it. I think we could replicate everything else.
What IF?
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Might as well have sloth racing.
I want fast horses, not my little pony.
I love the thoughbred. It’s breeding to bad stallions that creates breakdown.
Breed every mare to monson and Nathaniel you eliminate the problem.
You need speed and durability.
Allan
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