2020 US Presidential election odds

[davew]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Those numbers won't change until the debates

Or when Biden chickens out of the debates

Then the numbers turn upside down.

Biden will take the 'moral high ground' and due to the CV-19 will do it remotely from his basement (with a group of people behind the camera helping Joe with answers)

[lamboguy]

one has to think that a very poor series of debates is already baked into the line, maybe if they have about 3 more debates Trump will be able to make up the deficit.

[PaceAdvantage]

These debates are going to be absolute shit shows on both sides.

A wash.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by davew

Biden will take the 'moral high ground' and due to the CV-19 will do it remotely from his basement (with a group of people behind the camera helping Joe with answers)

At least then he would not have trump lurking behind him.

Allan

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Clearly.

Yes, clearly.

I've never told anyone to vote for Biden, here or anywhere else.

I'm just not voting for Trump. Its really very simple, actually.


As for all this % points stuff: I watched Nixon, when he was resigning. And, walking out to the helicopter that would take him away, he still had something like a 31% approval rating. It took Republicans a long time to disavow Nixon, despite that a whole pattern of corruption had kept unfolding.

And, even after the "smoking gun tape", when there was no longer any question about him being a crook..... that 31-ish% still didn't think he should be removed from office. Party loyalty.

That is PRECISELY how and when I became non-partisan.

Of course, I was a young girl then, and didn't know much about politics, or how over the years, I would learn that it would always be just a "matter of degree" because so many of the persons we are supposed to look up to don't deserve our admiration, and how increasingly hard it would become to figure out those "degrees". And I also realized that non partisan would have to include some years when I would just have to do a "write in". Because I have never missed voting, I want to be counted. By not voting, I won't be.

This is looking like a write in year.

Today of course, young people have seen a lot go by, so they probably aren't as clueless as I was back then, but I think it is always interesting to ask people when they lost whatever tiny shred of idealism (in politics, not life in general) they had.

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

Yes, clearly.

I've never told anyone to vote for Biden, here or anywhere else.

I'm just not voting for Trump. Its really very simple, actually.


As for all this % points stuff: I watched Nixon, when he was resigning. And, walking out to the helicopter that would take him away, he still had something like a 31% approval rating. It took Republicans a long time to disavow Nixon, despite that a whole pattern of corruption had kept unfolding.

And, even after the "smoking gun tape", when there was no longer any question about him being a crook..... that 31-ish% still didn't think he should be removed from office. Party loyalty.

That is PRECISELY how and when I became non-partisan.

Of course, I was a young girl then, and didn't know much about politics, or how over the years, I would learn that it would always be just a "matter of degree" because so many of the persons we are supposed to look up to don't deserve our admiration, and how increasingly hard it would become to figure out those "degrees". And I also realized that non partisan would have to include some years when I would just have to do a "write in". Because I have never missed voting, I want to be counted. By not voting, I won't be.

This is looking like a write in year.

Today of course, young people have seen a lot go by, so they probably aren't as clueless as I was back then, but I think it is always interesting to ask people when they lost whatever tiny shred of idealism (in politics, not life in general) they had.

SSSoooooooo....got a good write-in candidate....I'm damn sure not voting for either one of these two....

By the way...for any of ya'll that do...(vote for the either of the two corrupt guys)....you'll actually be voting for THE V.P.....cause NEITHER one will be Prez. in 2021....

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

SSSoooooooo....got a good write-in candidate....I'm damn sure not voting for either one of these two....

By the way...for any of ya'll that do...(vote for the either of the two corrupt guys)....you'll actually be voting for THE V.P.....cause NEITHER one will be Prez. in 2021....

Who was the last Prez who was actually Prez? Serious question.

Eisenhower?

Or do we go back further...

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Who was the last Prez who was actually Prez? Serious question.

Eisenhower?

Or do we go back further...

Quite right...I stated both Bush and Obama WERE puppets of the Federal Reserve....on more than 1 occasion in the past...

So my answer would be last president before Wilson...1913...when the Federal Reserve was created....

but who really knows....I don't...

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

SSSoooooooo....got a good write-in candidate....I'm damn sure not voting for either one of these two....

By the way...for any of ya'll that do...(vote for the either of the two corrupt guys)....you'll actually be voting for THE V.P.....cause NEITHER one will be Prez. in 2021....

It's side one or side two who wants to get you for 70%. But it really becomes crystal clear for those with 401k's and other accounts I do not really need to mention the different retirement options. Betting with Biden is like betting with AOC. You sound good, how are your retirement savings?

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by fast4522

It's side one or side two who wants to get you for 70%. But it really becomes crystal clear for those with 401k's and other accounts I do not really need to mention the different retirement options. Betting with Biden is like betting with AOC. You sound good, how are your retirement savings?

How were they under w?

How were they 8 years later under Obama.

Trump just a Johnny come lately when it comes to 401ks

Allan

[fast4522]

The logic is that anyone with a decent retirement savings will be a target by Biden and AOC.

[davew]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

At least then he would not have trump lurking behind him.

Allan

the media can do amazing things with zoom, angles, manipulation, photoshop

[biggestal99]

Betfair next president market

Biden 1.72
Trump 2.84

Market has stabilized for trump. Not in a free fall anymore.

Allan

[Saratoga_Mike]

As of July 3...

2016: Clinton 42.7% Trump 37.1%
2020: Biden 51.1% Trump 41.5%

The pool of undecided / third-party voters is much smaller this year (7.4%) than in 2016 (20.2%).

Source: 538 Polls and the brilliant George Conway

If all polls are wrong, then no need to respond to these numbers.

[PaceAdvantage]

Who are you trying to convince? I said he was a guaranteed loser something like 7+ months ago, before any of this recent virus/protest turmoil.