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09-13-2021, 12:10 AM
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Join Date: May 2018
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
I didn't say it was easy. I said I favor it being difficult.
If we could safely have every race be a 14 horse field of closely matched horses, I think that would be great, even though such races would be very difficult to handicap.
What's the most bet race of the year? The Kentucky Derby, with 20 lightly raced horses. Bettors love a difficult puzzle.
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09-13-2021, 12:49 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Near Lexington, KY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Profesor
Ridiculous
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Care to explain?
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09-13-2021, 01:35 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,871
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GP Turf
I see they started early June and took away the outer area of the grass course.
Anyone know how much? I mean in terms of what temp rail settings are gone?
I want to flag those no longer used in my db so I don't use those stats going forward.
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09-14-2021, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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In my experience, from walking on all 3 surfaces, the tapeta acts more like turf. When you are walking on the dirt, its not unlike walking on the beach. You're foot isnt solid on the ground, it moves a bit. Its also tiring. With the tapeta and the turf, your foot pretty much stays where it lands, so you bounce off it easier. Could explain the closer finishes with Tapeta in that I dont believe horses get as tired on it.
Ive raced at GP for about 20 years now, and it will be really interesting seeing how the Tapeta goes. If my horses on the dirt arent front runners, they come back to the barn after a race absolutely full of dirt in their eyes and nostrils. Riders on stalkers and come from behinders try and stay out of that dirt if at all possible. Ill probably sit back and watch a few weeks of races before trying it.
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09-14-2021, 10:23 AM
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Top Horse Analytics
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carnivalday
In my experience, from walking on all 3 surfaces, the tapeta acts more like turf. When you are walking on the dirt, its not unlike walking on the beach. You're foot isnt solid on the ground, it moves a bit. Its also tiring. With the tapeta and the turf, your foot pretty much stays where it lands, so you bounce off it easier. Could explain the closer finishes with Tapeta in that I dont believe horses get as tired on it.
Ive raced at GP for about 20 years now, and it will be really interesting seeing how the Tapeta goes. If my horses on the dirt arent front runners, they come back to the barn after a race absolutely full of dirt in their eyes and nostrils. Riders on stalkers and come from behinders try and stay out of that dirt if at all possible. Ill probably sit back and watch a few weeks of races before trying it.
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Thanks for sharing your first hand experiences.
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09-15-2021, 10:08 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Tampa Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thespaah
No lie there. Gulfstream Park turf course is a mess.
The racing se retry has two choices. One, spread out the grass races to give the turf more recovery time. Two, write fewer turf races.
Currently there aren't any strains of warm season grasses available that root deeply enough to withstand the tearing horse's hooves cause to the shallow root systems of the turf types used in the South
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Not being a homer but isn’t the Tampa turf pretty highly rated compared to GP?
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09-16-2021, 08:24 AM
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Registered Wacko
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Belmont-ish
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In regards to Gulfstream, how does one get access to the seating on the second floor and how much does it cost? I’m kind of sick of being relegated to the first floor all the time, I’m not a railbird type of guy. Lol
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09-16-2021, 11:18 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: May 2021
Location: NYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carnivalday
In my experience, from walking on all 3 surfaces, the tapeta acts more like turf. When you are walking on the dirt, its not unlike walking on the beach. You're foot isnt solid on the ground, it moves a bit. Its also tiring. With the tapeta and the turf, your foot pretty much stays where it lands, so you bounce off it easier. Could explain the closer finishes with Tapeta in that I dont believe horses get as tired on it.
Ive raced at GP for about 20 years now, and it will be really interesting seeing how the Tapeta goes. If my horses on the dirt arent front runners, they come back to the barn after a race absolutely full of dirt in their eyes and nostrils. Riders on stalkers and come from behinders try and stay out of that dirt if at all possible. Ill probably sit back and watch a few weeks of races before trying it.
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Does tapeta surface throws anything at the horses behind as they race?
GB
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09-16-2021, 12:11 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by geroge.burns99
Does tapeta surface throws anything at the horses behind as they race?
GB
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It does, but not as much or not as stingy as the dirt/sand.
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09-16-2021, 01:21 PM
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Join Date: May 2021
Location: NYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carnivalday
It does, but not as much or not as stingy as the dirt/sand.
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Thxs Carn....
I'd like to see how popular regular turf horses will take to it...or even try.
Mike
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09-17-2021, 09:13 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Mukwonago, WI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zman179
In regards to Gulfstream, how does one get access to the seating on the second floor and how much does it cost? I’m kind of sick of being relegated to the first floor all the time, I’m not a railbird type of guy. Lol
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When I went several years ago you bought those seats for $8 from a ticket booth on the apron.
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09-17-2021, 10:22 AM
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#87
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 355
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Tapeta racing now on hold.
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09-17-2021, 10:36 AM
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#88
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theiman
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Shocking I tell you.
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09-17-2021, 06:24 PM
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#90
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Join Date: May 2021
Location: NYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theiman
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Shit!!!....I hope they don't find my coke in there
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