The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

[Redhook206]

Worst DQ I've ever seen!

[Redhook206]

Stewards cost me $2757 Pick3 with that brutal DQ!! Unreal!

[Redhook206]

Race Decisions - September 5, 2015

Race 6

Stewards inquiry and jockeys objection from Angel Arroyo the rider of # 8 Furyofthenorsemen against the # 1 Tale of Life ( Irad Ortiz Jr.).Approaching the 1/6th pole the # 1 while running up on the # 6 Designed for War (Javier Castellano) in tight quarters shifts out sharply forcing the # 1 into the # 8 who makes contact with the # 9 Enjoy the Show (John Velazquez). After reviewing the video and speaking to all the riders involved the # 1 is disqualified from first and placed fourth behind the #8. The new order of finish is 6-3-8-1.

§ 4035.2. Foul riding penalized.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Redhook206

Race Decisions - September 5, 2015

Race 6

Stewards inquiry and jockeys objection from Angel Arroyo the rider of # 8 Furyofthenorsemen against the # 1 Tale of Life ( Irad Ortiz Jr.).Approaching the 1/6th pole the # 1 while running up on the # 6 Designed for War (Javier Castellano) in tight quarters shifts out sharply forcing the # 1 into the # 8 who makes contact with the # 9 Enjoy the Show (John Velazquez). After reviewing the video and speaking to all the riders involved the # 1 is disqualified from first and placed fourth behind the #8. The new order of finish is 6-3-8-1.

§ 4035.2. Foul riding penalized.

It's important to speak to the riders because the video isn't enough. If you can't DQ off video, you leave the result alone and pay the winners.

[NorCalGreg]

It's important to speak to the riders because the video isn't enough. If you can't DQ off video, you leave the result alone and pay the winners.

Is this a riddle? Why, in the world would you even need to speak to the riders, you just stated if you can't DQ off video, leave it alone.

[cj]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

RACE 6, DQ'd THE WRONG HORSE.

6 caused the damage.

8 was tiring in lane, not cost a placing.

479 were not cost a placing.

Regardless, the 6 should have been DQ'd, NOT THE 1.

INSANE LARCENY BY STEWARDS OR COMPLETE STUPIDITY

I thought it was going to be a DQ of the 1 first time I saw it. I would have left as is, but I don't think it was nearly a bad a call as you are making it out. The 6 drifted maybe half a path when clear, Irad went for a hole that closed and then proceeded to take out the 8 making his own hole.

[cj]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

It's important to speak to the riders because the video isn't enough. If you can't DQ off video, you leave the result alone and pay the winners.

Is this a riddle? Why, in the world would you even need to speak to the riders, you just stated if you can't DQ off video, leave it alone.

He's being sarcastic.

[tophatmert]

Originally Posted by cj

I thought it was going to be a DQ of the 1 first time I saw it. I would have left as is, but I don't think it was nearly a bad a call as you are making it out. The 6 drifted maybe half a path when clear, Irad went for a hole that closed and then proceeded to take out the 8 making his own hole.

I agree. If you don't want to have to bang your way through -be more aggressive early. I think making these types of calls can lead to more aggressive early rides. If you have plenty of horse and choose not to use it until the last 100 yards you will not be allowed to make your own hole to run through.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by cj

I thought it was going to be a DQ of the 1 first time I saw it. I would have left as is, but I don't think it was nearly a bad a call as you are making it out. The 6 drifted maybe half a path when clear, Irad went for a hole that closed and then proceeded to take out the 8 making his own hole.

CJ,

He drifted a half a path? Isn't that cause for DQ???? Especially if he's drifting a half a path into a horse surging by, who because of his drift a half a path back outward, caused a domino effect of bumps?

Irad went for a hole that closed? That would mean he went for a hole that OPENED......Think about that please.

We all know I can't stand Irad but he got screwed there. They DQ'd the victim and rewarded the guilty.

[Redhook206]

Originally Posted by Redhook206

Race Decisions - September 5, 2015

Race 6

Stewards inquiry and jockeys objection from Angel Arroyo the rider of # 8 Furyofthenorsemen against the # 1 Tale of Life ( Irad Ortiz Jr.).Approaching the 1/6th pole the # 1 while running up on the # 6 Designed for War (Javier Castellano) in tight quarters shifts out sharply forcing the # 1 into the # 8 who makes contact with the # 9 Enjoy the Show (John Velazquez). After reviewing the video and speaking to all the riders involved the # 1 is disqualified from first and placed fourth behind the #8. The new order of finish is 6-3-8-1.

§ 4035.2. Foul riding penalized.

The Stewards even admit in writeup that "the shifts out sharply forcing the into the "

Shifts out sharply is way more pronounced than drifted half a path.

Should Irad objected against the ?

[cj]

Originally Posted by Redhook206

The Stewards even admit in writeup that "the shifts out sharply forcing the into the "

Shifts out sharply is way more pronounced than drifted half a path.

Should Irad objected against the ?

They aren't saying the 6 shifts out sharply. They are talking about the 1.

[cj]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

CJ,

He drifted a half a path? Isn't that cause for DQ???? Especially if he's drifting a half a path into a horse surging by, who because of his drift a half a path back outward, caused a domino effect of bumps?

Irad went for a hole that closed? That would mean he went for a hole that OPENED......Think about that please.

We all know I can't stand Irad but he got screwed there. They DQ'd the victim and rewarded the guilty.

No way I want horses getting DQed for that drift. He didn't drift into him, he drifted into the path, i.e. he was clear. I don't mind a little race riding. You don't want to get jammed up, ride more aggressively. Actor Irad got pissed and decided to just make a hole because he figured just steadying behind wouldn't get him put up.

[pandy]

I didn't like the dq. When another horse initiates first contact it's a difficult call and my take on dq's is that it has to be so obvious that you can make a decision after watching the two angles once. Once I see the judges watching the replays over and over and over, you know the horse should stay up and they've got a very good chance of making the wrong call. If the 6 doesn't come out and bump the 1, does the 1 veer to his right? That's the problem. The bumping was too ambiguous.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by pandy

I didn't like the dq. When another horse initiates first contact it's a difficult call and my take on dq's is that it has to be so obvious that you can make a decision after watching the two angles once. Once I see the judges watching the replays over and over and over, you know the horse should stay up and they've got a very good chance of making the wrong call. If the 6 doesn't come out and bump the 1, does the 1 veer to his right? That's the problem. The bumping was too ambiguous.

If you have to keep looking and looking, just make it official, pay the winners and move on.

Seems that the judging at the Spa this year is being done so someone (or more than 1) in that booth can justify that they are 'doing their jobs' if you make no change, you're leaving something as is, if you make a change you are 'fixing' something and thus, your being employed as a 'fixer' and that seems more important than someone who sits idly by watching the wheels go round and round.

I don't like this aggressive approach of ticky tack lets not pay the winners stuff, because at the end of the day, none of this 'tight' judging has made jocks ride any differently, it just lets the bettors, the ones supporting the game, take it in the shorts.

[tophatmert]

Originally Posted by pandy

I didn't like the dq. When another horse initiates first contact it's a difficult call and my take on dq's is that it has to be so obvious that you can make a decision after watching the two angles once. Once I see the judges watching the replays over and over and over, you know the horse should stay up and they've got a very good chance of making the wrong call. If the 6 doesn't come out and bump the 1, does the 1 veer to his right? That's the problem. The bumping was too ambiguous.

Did the 6 make contact with the 1 ?