Arrogate

[rsetup]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I see you're as big a dick as ever these days. BTW, weren't you the same guy who couldn't afford a new computer a few months ago? Or did I read that wrong? Sounded like money wasn't your friend...and we're supposed to take you as some expert who has found the way, the truth and the light? So much so that you feel the need to drop trou and take a dump on other people around here? What's your credentials again?

See you're still angry, eh? How did you infer I couldn't afford a pc?

I'm not dumping on anyone just trying to offer an alternative perspective.

Interesting my perspective is deemed an attack. Class' repeatedy, constantly even, restated method is what? When's the last time he posted a winner? I posted 3 yesterday, including
a $35 bomb. Notice that or you only read his redboards?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by cj

That is why I asked you about him. I thought he had a very big chance, but the post turned me off of him at the odds he was offered. I also think he had a somewhat tough trip in the Hill Prince that was hidden.

I'm not sure what figure you gave him for Saturday's race, but Beyer gave him a 102. That seems reasonable to me given the probability that he'd move forward further. Beyer had him jumping up quite a bit.

The post position was an issue for me also. I saw the rail horse as way more likely to get a ground saving trip than Annals of Time.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by rsetup

Notice that or you only read his redboards?

This is BS.

I almost NEVER talk about any of my winners publicly even when I think it might be instructive because I know that some people don't respond well to that kind of thing. What I often do is talk about my losers (as I did in this thread) because they can be equally instructive and I assume no one cares if I'm taking about why I played some horse that wound up losing.

I rarely tell anyone which horses I am playing. I have a handful of coworkers I discuss races with beforehand if they ask me or if it comes up in conversation. They know how well I've done. I don't get paid to be a tout, to explain my methodology in detail so others can copy it, or to take any abuse when I am wrong. I also feel badly when I give out a horse that loses even when I bet it myself. So I just rarely do it. I have no problem explaining my general approach and why I take it.

[Grits]

ob·jec·tive
əbˈjektiv/
adjective
adjective: objective
1. (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

.....If you do not have a clear understanding of the definition of the term, objective, (and obviously you do not) you really shouldn't use the term. This is all quite unfortunate and unnecessary. Please think before posting further. There isn't any need for this.

Here's an objective take: You lack the requisite skills for the task. In fact, you don't even understand the problem. You're a dilettante and a poor one at that. You rely on figures; your trip handicapping is poor; and you're clueless when it comes to setups. When you don't understand something, rather than listening to someone that does, you usually come up with some 'explanation' for it. A 'late developing young horse', for example. And you proceed from there.

You've recently added a database to your repertoire but you don't have the skill to use it. Data is useless if not used properly.

The class problem is a trivial one. It's a subset of any of the other problems. Once you have a statically strong speed or pace model, then you can glean class from it. Once you model setups, you can glean speed/pace and class for it.

To repeat: setup + speed/pace spits out class

Up for the task?

[cj]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I'm not sure what figure you gave him for Saturday's race, but Beyer gave him a 102. That seems reasonable to me given the probability that he'd move forward further. Beyer had him jumping up quite a bit.

The post position was an issue for me also. I saw the rail horse as way more likely to get a ground saving trip than Annals of Time.

I believe it was 120 off the top of my head, so pretty much in line as expected. He has a bright future for sure.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
I see you're as big a dick as ever these days. BTW, weren't you the same guy who couldn't afford a new computer a few months ago? Or did I read that wrong? Sounded like money wasn't your friend...and we're supposed to take you as some expert who has found the way, the truth and the light? So much so that you feel the need to drop your trousers and take a dump on other people around here? What's your credentials again?

Originally Posted by rsetup

See you're still angry, eh? How did you infer I couldn't afford a pc?

I'm not dumping on anyone just trying to offer an alternative perspective.

Interesting my perspective is deemed an attack. Class' repeatedy, constantly even, restated method is what? When's the last time he posted a winner? I posted 3 yesterday, including
a $35 bomb. Notice that or you only read his redboards?

Might as well start shoveling the dirt on you, now that you've dug yourself a 6 Ft. hole, rsetup....

Originally Posted by cj
Anybody seen rsetup? Anyone? Bueller?

I'm in win 10 hell. My pc crashed last month. Ordered a new Dell which had win 10. Thought it'd be easy to attach my old drive by usb and get my files and code. I was wrong. Win 10 has permission issues. Cannot get my old desktop. Sending the piece of crap back and getting something I can install linux on. Gimme a few weeks. I'm not shy with opinions, you know that.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...0&postcount=81

[luisbe]

"I'm in win 10 hell. My pc crashed last month. Ordered a new Dell which had win 10. Thought it'd be easy to attach my old drive by usb and get my files and code. I was wrong. Win 10 has permission issues. Cannot get my old desktop. Sending the piece of crap back and getting something I can install linux on. Gimme a few weeks. I'm not shy with opinions, you know that. "

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...menu-in-vista/

[Tom]

You don't seem to understand enough of the problem to understand why someone might want to purse what I am suggesting.

Class, you have to forgive him. Class is something he has never had any exposure to. It is a foreign concept to him. Why I dare say, if he tripped over it he would never know it. As far as he know, chest pounding is class.
Enjoy the ignorance of the feeble minded.....they really believe the BS they post.

[steveb]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

You seemed to be implying that the track doesn't change much where you've done figures. I know from making figures in the US that track maintenance (or lack of it) between races has an impact on the surface. Even on the nicest day of the year, the moisture content of the track can and often does change throughout the day. On our sandy surfaces, that impacts time.

tracks change during the course of a meeting often everywhere, i guess.
the difference between east and west coast in usa, might be less than the difference between japan and korea.
i still think you are barking up the wrong tree on this issue.
even without subjectivity, you can have checks for those sorts of things built into the code.

there is no doubt that my non subjective would be astray sometimes, and i would not pretend otherwise, but i bet your subjective is too.

[steveb]

Originally Posted by rsetup

Here's an objective take: You lack the requisite skills for the task. In fact, you don't even understand the problem. You're a dilettante and a poor one at that. You rely on figures; your trip handicapping is poor; and you're clueless when it comes to setups. When you don't understand something, rather than listening to someone that does, you usually come up with some 'explanation' for it. A 'late developing young horse', for example. And you proceed from there.

You've recently added a database to your repertoire but you don't have the skill to use it. Data is useless if not used properly.

The class problem is a trivial one. It's a subset of any of the other problems. Once you have a statically strong speed or pace model, then you can glean class from it. Once you model setups, you can glean speed/pace and class for it.

To repeat: setup + speed/pace spits out class

Up for the task?

yes(up for the task that is), it's very simple actually.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by steveb

there is no doubt that my non subjective would be astray sometimes, and i would not pretend otherwise, but i bet your subjective is too.

Absolutely agree.

[rsetup]

Originally Posted by steveb

yes(up for the task that is), it's very simple actually.

Random Forests

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by steveb

well then, they would be.......WRONG TOO.
as for your bernoulli and other distributions, then i use them too, but it still does not change the fact that .5 is 1/1 does it?


the 200k bets was an actual statement from YOU, so you need to brush up your memory.
and if you have actually had it or not, matters not one iota to me, i just think it wishful thinking to get those numbers on via pari mutuel.
the amount is no big deal, the big deal is that you could do it on one race in one pool.

and i have NEVER critcised you as such, that is simply your usual way of misreading.
last time you said i was insulting you, and that was a nonsense too.
if you want to be insulted, ask me politely and i'll give it a go!!

Please re-post the post where I stated that.

[steveb]

Originally Posted by Cratos

Please re-post the post where I stated that.

you do your OWN searches thank you very much.
but you said it, and i am not the only one that has made reference to it.
but in effect, i don't care if you bet 10 zillion or 10 cents, it's none of my business.

[steveb]

Originally Posted by rsetup

Random Forests

well, i had to google that!!

so, no.

simply iteration, and trial and error.

initially make some assumptions
test
adjust
test
adjust
test
on and on

each adjustment lessens the error, until it is gone.

and then after a couple of minutes or less, you have your times, classes, and many other things figured.

it's the only thing that made me valuable to the syndicates as such.
and i am surprised that nobody had thought of it until me in this field.

i guess it helps that i am uneducated slob, that always solved his problems his own way, and mostly would not even know the 'accepted' way to do this or that.
i long ago learned that education does not make you intelligent, it just makes you educated

i think i have read that you are a modeller
my job when i was not working for myself, was giving the modellers stuff to model.