Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Handicapping Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 05-29-2012, 03:31 PM   #16
Valuist
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 16,487
This actually can be an advantage for a handicapper, IMO, as long as they take notes watching races and keep charts. One can make judgements as to whether or not the pace is fast by how strung out the field is. Bunched field figure its a slow pace; strung out 12 or more lengths and you know the pace is fast.
Valuist is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 03:35 PM   #17
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdhanover
Wouldn't call the track a joke becuase of some mechanical issues. Would hope they go back and fix whatever times are off (based on replays etc). My experience is that management is beginning to realize that the bettor is their customer. Will take some time, but slowly getting there.
I agree, but how sad is it that fans have to bring this stuff up? It may be mainly turf, but it isn't the only problem. Just Sunday there is a missing half mile call from a mile dirt race, and that same thing has happened before. There was even a turf race a few weeks ago with fractions reported, but no final time? How is that even possible?

Obviously they know, yet nobody seems to do anything to fix it. This tells me they don't care. This didn't start yesterday. It has been weeks already, and some of these issues were happening last year as well.

Last edited by cj; 05-29-2012 at 03:38 PM.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 03:39 PM   #18
jdhanover
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,088
CJ - good point...maybe we can get an answer from AP either on here or at the Outing.
jdhanover is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 04:20 PM   #19
maclr11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 1,501
My point is that people remember who won but not how fast
It's more about who you beat and how you beat them
I realize some people are very keen on figures and times I just ask you to try to use those methods at a track like mine where the 3/8 pole is out of line and 2,500 claimers roll the last 3/16ths in 17 2/5 going 7 1/2 furlongs
Then try to have confidence in time anywhere
maclr11 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 04:36 PM   #20
BlueShoe
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Anaheim,California
Posts: 4,675
Quote:
Originally Posted by illinoisbred
I really wish they'd go back to having 2 courses...the inner and outer.
Wish they would dump the plastic and go back to the dirt main. Used to really like the old AP meet, but have had problems with the plastic since it's installation. Perhaps it is just me and my handicapping, but have trouble projecting a probable paceline. The fractions seem to bounce all over the place from race to race with pretty much the same bunch of horses, same class, and same distance on this goofy fake stuff. Sure, some varience is to be expected, but just seems that it is more pronounced and common on the AP main.
BlueShoe is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 04:38 PM   #21
Striker
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,987
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdhanover
maybe we can get an answer from AP either on here or at the Outing.
I almost guarantee you will get an answer from Dave Zenner regarding this. The fact of the matter is that this has been going on since May 5th(the 2nd day of the meet)and that shouldn't be the way that you or any horseplayer gets an answer to a somewhat important thing to most handicappers.
Striker is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 04:51 PM   #22
mikesal57
Veteran
 
mikesal57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NEW YORK CITY
Posts: 3,670
chart was fixed..

when? why? because?

all questions

Are there proof readers after the fact?

is this really the tracks fault or chart makers?

Attached Images
File Type: jpg Capture.JPG (98.4 KB, 249 views)

Last edited by mikesal57; 05-29-2012 at 04:56 PM.
mikesal57 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 05:05 PM   #23
jdhanover
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,088
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesal57
chart was fixed..
No it wasn't - my horse still lost!
jdhanover is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 05:15 PM   #24
mikesal57
Veteran
 
mikesal57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NEW YORK CITY
Posts: 3,670
maybe next fix puts him in winner circle...

mikesal57 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 07:51 PM   #25
sammy the sage
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: central fla.
Posts: 4,874
Times, figures...or any OTHER measuring you wanna try to use...don't matter THERE anyways...just so's you know...
__________________
got handed a lemon...make lemonade....add sugar or brown sugar or stevia or my personal favorite....miracle fruit....google it...thank me later...
sammy the sage is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 11:01 PM   #26
njcurveball
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff P
HANA Blog Tues 05/29/2012
A Little Respect For the Horseplayer Please:
http://blog.horseplayersassociation....er-please.html

This is one example of what CJ is talking about. (There are others.)


-jp

.
Thought I posted this before, but this was posted on the HTR board right after it happened.

Curiously enough the picture on the HANA page is the exact same picture, I guess great Screen Captures think alike.

http://homebased2.com/forums/showthr...036#post110036
njcurveball is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 11:13 PM   #27
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,180
What exactly are you trying to say NJ?
PaceAdvantage is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 11:37 PM   #28
Jeff P
Registered User
 
Jeff P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: JCapper Platinum: Kind of like Deep Blue... but for horses.
Posts: 5,258
Watch the race replay. After the horses cross the wire the first time during the "live" view of the race - a follow up slow motion frame by frame replay of the horses approaching the wire is shown. After that, a close up frame by frame slow motion replay is shown. This close up slow motion replay freezes at exactly the point where I took the screenshot.

BTW, Jessica, if you happen to read this, tell them I absolutely LOVE this third close up slow mo replay. Imo, all tracks should consider providing this.

Because the video where the close up slow motion replay freezes at the point where the 3 horses were together at the wire, it was an easy shot to get - and because it contained the track's graphics to indicate the numbers for the top two finishers and another indicator for a photo finish:

Using that screenshot seemed like a no brainer to me.



-jp

.
__________________
Team JCapper: 2011 PAIHL Regular Season ROI Leader after 15 weeks
www.JCapper.com

Last edited by Jeff P; 05-29-2012 at 11:49 PM.
Jeff P is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 11:45 PM   #29
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by njcurveball
Thought I posted this before, but this was posted on the HTR board right after it happened.

Curiously enough the picture on the HANA page is the exact same picture, I guess great Screen Captures think alike.

http://homebased2.com/forums/showthr...036#post110036
It was, I deleted it, I didn't see the point. I guess it was really important to you.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-29-2012, 11:48 PM   #30
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by njcurveball
Well once an ass, always an ass.
How very uncivilized of you...I don't think DanG would be proud...
PaceAdvantage is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.