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06-21-2018, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Again I never said that.
Yes if you're wanted for a violent crime, drugs, or trafficking... yes I want your kids taken away from you.
That doesn't mean I'm against enforcing immigration laws. I'm against taking kids away from parents who simply crossed the border and sought asylum.
Throw them in camps while you process their applications. Hell we can even call them internment camps... I don't care.
Your above post is the exact problem with Trumpbot absolutism... surely there wasn't another solution... until poof there was!  |
People who are pro-separation never had a good argument when the only offense is trying to cross the border. Even Trump realized it. So he signed an executive order ending the practice. There is no point in arguing about it. It's done.
To wrap up this sordid chapter of U.S. history, perhaps people who are pro-separation should take a deep look inside their souls and ask themselves how they allowed their hearts to become so hardened that they feel it is ok to rip innocent children away from their mothers and incarcerate them.
It is telling that the pro-separatists are not up in arms and screaming at Trump to complain about how horrible a person he is for rescinding the policy.
The silence is deafening.
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06-21-2018, 09:24 PM
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Maybe that silence is you ignoring facts over and over again.
A closed mind is hard of hearing.
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06-21-2018, 09:31 PM
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Kids?
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06-21-2018, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Maybe that silence is you ignoring facts over and over again.
A closed mind is hard of hearing.
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The FACT is Trump signed an executive order ending the practice.
But I don't hear the pro-separatists screaming at trump to reinstate the policy.
Therefore, they must agree that the policy was a bad one.
Now that I think about it, people who are pro-separatist must be pro-abortion because they see nothing wrong with separating a child from the mother.
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06-21-2018, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
The FACT is Trump signed an executive order ending the practice.
But I don't hear the pro-separatists screaming at trump to reinstate the policy.
Therefore, they must agree that the policy was a bad one.
Now that I think about it, people who are pro-separatist must be pro-abortion because they see nothing wrong with separating a child from the mother.
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That is a huge stretch even for liberals.
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06-21-2018, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
The FACT is Trump signed an executive order ending the practice.
But I don't hear the pro-separatists screaming at trump to reinstate the policy.
Therefore, they must agree that the policy was a bad one.
Now that I think about it, people who are pro-separatist must be pro-abortion because they see nothing wrong with separating a child from the mother.
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You think a lot less than you think you do.
A hell of a lot less.
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06-21-2018, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jocko699
That is a huge stretch even for liberals.
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Abortion and separating a child from the mother fall under the same category.
But really that's not the main point. The point is why aren't the pro-separatists haranguing trump for rescinding the policy?
Probably because it was bad policy and everybody knows it.
But rather than rub salt in the wound, I'll let it go. Trump did the right thing and there is no point in arguing it further.
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06-21-2018, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Abortion and separating a child from the mother fall under the same category.
But really that's not the main point. The point is why aren't the pro-separatists haranguing trump for rescinding the policy?
Probably because it was bad policy and everybody knows it.
But rather than rub salt in the wound, I'll let it go. Trump did the right thing and there is no point in arguing it further.
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I wasn't arguing only laughing.
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06-21-2018, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You think a lot less than you think you do.
A hell of a lot less.
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Vice-versa. You guys have no good answer to why you're complaining to trump about how wrong it was to reverse the policy.
The truth is, everyone knows it was a bad policy.
But like I said, trump did the right thing. It's done. There is no point in arguing it any further.
I think it is fair that I give you the last word and I will not offer a rebuttal.
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06-21-2018, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jocko699
I wasn't arguing only laughing.
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Thank you for making this an interesting debate.
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06-21-2018, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Vice-versa. You guys have no good answer to why you're complaining to trump about how wrong it was to reverse the policy.
The truth is, everyone knows it was a bad policy.
But like I said, trump did the right thing. It's done. There is no point in arguing it any further.
I think it is fair that I give you the last word and I will not offer a rebuttal.
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Ok I didn't think it was then and still don't so you just told a fib, naught boy!!!!
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06-21-2018, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jocko699
Ok I didn't think it was then and still don't so you just told a fib, naught boy!!!!
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fair enough
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06-21-2018, 10:16 PM
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06-21-2018, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Again I never said that.
Yes if you're wanted for a violent crime, drugs, or trafficking... yes I want your kids taken away from you.
That doesn't mean I'm against enforcing immigration laws. I'm against taking kids away from parents who simply crossed the border (legally or illegally????)and sought asylum.
Throw them in camps while you process their applications. Hell we can even call them internment camps... I don't care.
Your above post is the exact problem with Trumpbot absolutism... surely there wasn't another solution... until *poof* there was! |
See the bolded part and answer.....
As to the rest of your hogwash, I never said it was all or nothing. It is NOT my responsibility to make the laws of this county. I participate in a process by where I elect legislators who do that based on their constituency.
Now please provide proof, that we are taking away children from MIGRANTS, who are attempting to enter this country LEGALLY through the process seeking asylum. If they are attempting to LEGALLY enter this country and we are taking their children away, then I agree whole heartedly with you.
On the other hand...… If ILLEGALLY.....then its a crime and punishment should be served accordingly.....
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06-21-2018, 10:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by highnote
People who are pro-separation never had a good argument when the only offense is trying to cross the border. Even Trump realized it. So he signed an executive order ending the practice. There is no point in arguing about it. It's done.
To wrap up this sordid chapter of U.S. history, perhaps people who are pro-separation should take a deep look inside their souls and ask themselves how they allowed their hearts to become so hardened that they feel it is ok to rip innocent children away from their mothers and incarcerate them.
It is telling that the pro-separatists are not up in arms and screaming at Trump to complain about how horrible a person he is for rescinding the policy.
The silence is deafening.
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Youre right....what possibly was I thinking...…
All of those speed limits posting about 60-mph, well they are just rubbish too right??
I mean who really cares if I was doing 70? Will a kid I hit at 60 live somehow and not live at 70???
I am sure there are many "offenses" that most of us don't like.... (PS I like how you chose the word offense versus breaking the law to make yourself feel better).
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