Racing secretary decisions

[SG4]

So the weather forecast for Belmont on Sunday calls for nearly 3 inches of rain, likely early in the morning, 100% of something strong. Considering they couldn't even keep all races on the turf yesterday after some moderate rain on Tuesday, why would they even think a turf race is in any realm of possibility for Sunday? But the entries come out this afternoon, 5 of 9 races are scheduled for the turf. Now I know it's important for racing secretaries to stick to the condition book to build trust & better fields etc, but in a situation so glaring as this one, why don't they have the discretion of switching these turf races to say next Wednesday & moving up some dirt races in their place. This forecast has been in place for a few days, there was time to make calls to horsemen etc. The Sunday card is going to be a washout, and nobody wins from that perspective.

[cj]

Probably can't fill that many dirt races anyway, at least with decent field sizes, so might as well take a shot the weather man is wrong.

[Gentz]

You mean you dont like it when they scratch a full field plus an also eligible list down to 3 turf horses running in the slop? What action! I love it. But then I also like carbolic acid on the rocks with a garnish of bamboo chips.

[Al Gobbi]

Originally Posted by cj

Probably can't fill that many dirt races anyway, at least with decent field sizes, so might as well take a shot the weather man is wrong.

It is also closing day at Belmont, might as well run on the turf unless its unsafe.

[Prioress Ply]

Everyone loved Martin (King of Fake Entries) Panza when he was hired. Martin knows oh so well how to card a synthetic race that looks good on paper but melts about 6 hours to post.

Enjoy suckers.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by SG4

So the weather forecast for Belmont on Sunday calls for nearly 3 inches of rain, likely early in the morning, 100% of something strong. Considering they couldn't even keep all races on the turf yesterday after some moderate rain on Tuesday, why would they even think a turf race is in any realm of possibility for Sunday? But the entries come out this afternoon, 5 of 9 races are scheduled for the turf. Now I know it's important for racing secretaries to stick to the condition book to build trust & better fields etc, but in a situation so glaring as this one, why don't they have the discretion of switching these turf races to say next Wednesday & moving up some dirt races in their place. This forecast has been in place for a few days, there was time to make calls to horsemen etc. The Sunday card is going to be a washout, and nobody wins from that perspective.

Direct this question towards track management.

[sour grapes]

cancelled again with a big carryover,2nd time this year.
belmont hasnt cancelled racing in 20 years before.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by sour grapes

cancelled again with a big carryover,2nd time this year.
belmont hasnt cancelled racing in 20 years before.

They cancelled for Hurricane Sandy in October 2012, due to heavy rain on September 27, 2012, due to heat in June 2012, and due to snow and sleet on closing day in 2011. For starters.

[SG4]

Originally Posted by Ruffian1

Direct this question towards track management.

Do you think horsemen would prefer leeway with a condition book based on upcoming weather or other scenarios, or are they more interested in sticking to the book based on their training schedules?

[PaceAdvantage]

The internet...where anyone can say anything, and you're guaranteed a throng of supporters/believers in every word, in no time flat...

[mountainman]

Condition book races are carefully rotated to not conflict with other races and to give horses adequate time between opportunities. So what you suggest might, in this case, throw certain things out of whack.

And, to be honest, the racing dept would be very hesitant to take on the headache and potential confusion of rearranging things so abruptly. Getting the word out would be hell.

But, then again, most racing secs are extremely sharp, detail-oriented people who excel under pressure and think fast on their feet. That's how they get to BE racing secs. The job is much harder than most players might assume.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by SG4

Do you think horsemen would prefer leeway with a condition book based on upcoming weather or other scenarios, or are they more interested in sticking to the book based on their training schedules?

Sticking to the book.

There were times when my race would be brought back 4-5 times before they used it. You end up training the horse like a fool in hind site because you can't assume the race goes in 8-10 days, you have to assume it goes in 2-3 days, then 2-3 , then 2-3 and then it goes.
So you end up training your horse all wrong. You need to know when a race is going to run and work towards that date . That was always my take on it.

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by Gentz

You mean you dont like it when they scratch a full field plus an also eligible list down to 3 turf horses running in the slop? What action! I love it. But then I also like carbolic acid on the rocks with a garnish of bamboo chips.

just bet show and you will be fine

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by Ruffian1

Sticking to the book.

There were times when my race would be brought back 4-5 times before they used it. You end up training the horse like a fool in hind site because you can't assume the race goes in 8-10 days, you have to assume it goes in 2-3 days, then 2-3 , then 2-3 and then it goes.
So you end up training your horse all wrong. You need to know when a race is going to run and work towards that date . That was always my take on it.

Good post. I hate when I can't get to an extra, might need it for the next day, but can't bring it back because it now crowds an upcoming book race.

Our policy at Mnr is to prefer book races over bring-backs, which isn't always in the best interest of the program, but rightfully encourages horsemen to train for the book.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Ruffian1

Sticking to the book.

There were times when my race would be brought back 4-5 times before they used it. You end up training the horse like a fool in hind site because you can't assume the race goes in 8-10 days, you have to assume it goes in 2-3 days, then 2-3 , then 2-3 and then it goes.
So you end up training your horse all wrong. You need to know when a race is going to run and work towards that date . That was always my take on it.

This is the main reason trainers look at other tracks to race, it happened at MP all summer long. It stopped when Parx closed for their summer break.