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01-16-2019, 06:38 PM
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Should Planned Parenthood be allowed to donate to polical campaigns?
Since they get 'government funding' for women services? Or would this be a 'conflict of interest' since most of the donations go to one party which always pushes for more funding?
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01-16-2019, 06:44 PM
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Anyone should be allowed to to contribute as much as they choose. The only restriction is that contributions should be public record.
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01-16-2019, 07:29 PM
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as much as I loath Planned Parenthood, if you prevent them from doing that then you have to prevent any organization/person from donating to politicians. Including farmers, etc.
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01-17-2019, 11:19 AM
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NO organizations should be allowed to donate ever.
Private citizens ONLY, annual LIMITs enforced.
This is a nation of people, not organizations.
That and lobbyist must be outlawed.
Dealing with a known lobbyist would be immediate removal from office.
The government must not be for sale.
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01-17-2019, 11:29 AM
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NO organizations should be allowed to donate ever.
Private citizens ONLY, annual LIMITs enforced.
This is a nation of people, not organizations.
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And if some people want to join together for some purpose, they can do so. An organization is made up of people.
SCOTUS ruled in the Citizens United case that political spending is a form of free speech that's protected under the First Amendment. The First Amendment protects freedom of speech and the right of people to assemble.
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01-17-2019, 11:40 AM
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And they are wrong.
How about he UAW?
The leaders get to decide who to make donations to, but a large number of the member - who, bts, have no choice but to join the union or lose the job, may be opposed to the candidate.
NO organization represent the opinions of values of all of its members.
NO organization should be allowed to make donations...the court is 100% wrong, as they are many times.
We are a nation of people. All people not just those in charge of large organizations or businesses.
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And no one say that should not, but many people are in organizations not by their choice.
Just look at the Teamsters for what can go wrong with treating organizations like they are people.
The court is flat our wrong.
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01-17-2019, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
NO organizations should be allowed to donate ever.
Private citizens ONLY, annual LIMITs enforced.
This is a nation of people, not organizations.
That and lobbyist must be outlawed.
Dealing with a known lobbyist would be immediate removal from office.
The government must not be for sale.
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Corporations are people. So sayeth SCOTUS.
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01-17-2019, 11:46 AM
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And SCOTUS is wrong - so sayeth common sense.
This is how people lose their power to decide on their own government.
The government is supposed to represent the people, but it doesn't come close.
Hasn't in over 100 years.
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01-17-2019, 12:16 PM
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And they are wrong.
How about he UAW?
The leaders get to decide who to make donations to, but a large number of the member - who, bts, have no choice but to join the union or lose the job, may be opposed to the candidate.
NO organization represent the opinions of values of all of its members.
NO organization should be allowed to make donations...the court is 100% wrong, as they are many times.
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Nice deflection. That is a totally different issue.
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01-17-2019, 12:20 PM
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No deflection - it is an organization.
I am saying ONLY individual citizens should be allowed to contribute.
Why is that so wrong?
Organizations are deflections.
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01-17-2019, 12:46 PM
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No deflection - it is an organization.
I am saying ONLY individual citizens should be allowed to contribute.
Why is that so wrong?
Organizations are deflections.
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The issue there is not organizations donating money. This issue is mandatory membership in organizations.
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01-17-2019, 01:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
NO organizations should be allowed to donate ever.
Private citizens ONLY, annual LIMITs enforced.
This is a nation of people, not organizations.
That and lobbyist must be outlawed.
Dealing with a known lobbyist would be immediate removal from office.
The government must not be for sale.
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I agree with you on this......why I find it problematic that so many cabinet positions are now held by former lobbyists in certain big industries. It's like the foxes guarding the henhouse.
The Regulated have become The Regulators.
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01-17-2019, 02:17 PM
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I agree with you on this......why I find it problematic that so many cabinet positions are now held by former lobbyists in certain big industries. It's like the foxes guarding the henhouse.
The Regulated have become The Regulators.
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Can't be true.
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In January 2017, Trump signed an executive order banning former lobbyists from participating in matters in which they had previously lobbied for two years and placing a five-year ban on former Trump appointees lobbying after leaving the administration.
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https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...dministration/
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01-17-2019, 07:45 PM
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The issue there is not organizations donating money. This issue is mandatory membership in organizations.
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There are thong one point being made here.
Try to open your mind a little and follow along.
I am talking about ALL organizations.
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01-17-2019, 07:51 PM
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I agree with you on this......why I find it problematic that so many cabinet positions are now held by former lobbyists in certain big industries. It's like the foxes guarding the henhouse.
The Regulated have become The Regulators.
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Yes.
The ultimate organization of American people is the CONGRESS.
We elect people to represent us.
Allowing entities NOT represented directly by Congress is absurd.
Is Planned Parenthood or the UAW or GM allowed to vote? Of course not.
Considering them equal to pople is absurd.
And allowing any elect official to sell out to a lobbyist should be the death penalty.
And ALL lobbyists do is buy their votes.
Ex- lobbyists are appointed to positions because THEY know where the road to the most money is. It is for their $$$ knowledge, not their abilities to service the public.
Where does Joe Working Slob go to get representation?
RUSSIA?
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