This doesn't sound good (for Servis and Navarro)

[cj]

Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

You’re not going to tip your hand by working them fast, especially when your making money through the windows too.

Well, that probably worked like twice before everyone caught on. I'm guessing he didn't want to waste the juice effect in a workout. You only get so much result before the horse is, in Navarro's words, "jacked out."

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by cj

Well, that probably worked like twice before everyone caught on. I'm guessing he didn't want to waste the juice effect in a workout. You only get so much result before the horse is, in Navarro's words, "jacked out."

Also, it's much harder to darken a horse's form with workouts in 2020. Workouts are watched. Especially at the track, but even sometimes at training centers. There's a market among handicappers and bettors for good workout information.

There have been countless situations where a horse has worked 50 2/5 or something and Bruno De Julio or other workout analysts have reported that the horse was jumping out of his skin, and then the horse won easily.

The days of keeping the horse's form under wraps by working slowly are basically over.

[Fightingirish51195]

Originally Posted by onefast99

NJRC fines him $5000 in September of 2017 they had the ability at that time to get this guy out of Racing but it would’ve decimated Racing at Monmouth Park if he took his 100+ Horses that needs to be looked at!

I heard a rumor that may video may have helped start the investigation, but I have no idea

[Tom]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

The days of keeping the horse's form under wraps by working slowly are basically over.

They just keep the horse's form "bottled up" now.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by cj

Fair or not, you can't help but wonder. I'd already seen a few surprise performances from the third Servis, Tyler.

John's son, I believe?

[foregoforever]

Originally Posted by Fightingirish51195

I heard a rumor that may video may have helped start the investigation, but I have no idea

At the news conference announcing the indictments, the FBI guy was asked how it all got started. He said that it started "on a different case on a different topic altogether, and one thing led to another ..."

He gave no other details. I haven't found any hints in other news reports. But his use of the word "altogether" makes it sound like they weren't looking at horse racing at all, originally.

I'm sure the feds will follow through on this, and it may well lead to more interesting findings and indictments. But I'm not so sure that this signals a sudden interest in the sport by the FBI.

[lex]

Interesting that they found it investigating something else. Any horse racing people that have college aged kids that suddenly became crew rowers in college?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by foregoforever

At the news conference announcing the indictments, the FBI guy was asked how it all got started. He said that it started "on a different case on a different topic altogether, and one thing led to another ..."

He gave no other details. I haven't found any hints in other news reports. But his use of the word "altogether" makes it sound like they weren't looking at horse racing at all, originally.

I'm sure the feds will follow through on this, and it may well lead to more interesting findings and indictments. But I'm not so sure that this signals a sudden interest in the sport by the FBI.

That's how the college admissions scandal happened. One of the parents was brought up on stock fraud charges and offered the FBI the college admissions scandal in exchange for leniency.

[Suff]

[GMB@BP]

I bet Nick Surick is looking to play lets make a deal, he is looking at 40 years and think he is a young guy.

[timp]

All should be banned for life.Everyone talks about the bettors getting cheated by this I say what about the trainers and even owners that are trying to win a race to patthere mortgage that month or electric bill and her comes cand ass with his illegal juice and beats him where is that justice there lucky I’m still not racing because they would have more than a problem with fbi to worry about theytook the food right out of working people’s mouth by stealing and cheating.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by timp

All should be banned for life.Everyone talks about the bettors getting cheated by this I say what about the trainers and even owners that are trying to win a race to patthere mortgage that month or electric bill and her comes cand ass with his illegal juice and beats him where is that justice there lucky I’m still not racing because they would have more than a problem with fbi to worry about theytook the food right out of working people’s mouth by stealing and cheating.

Spot on post. As with other horsemen-on-horsemen crimes(protection claims, etc..etc) doping has traditionally been met with tolerant silence from victimized peers and little, if any, out-cry for justice.

That seems to be changing in the wake of this ominous scandal, as (supposedly) "clean" horsemen are finally speaking out. But let's see if the very HBPA now scrambling to condemn the already-exposed pariahs actually endorses stiffer penalties and more vigilante testing procedures that potentially hit much closer to home than the circumstances that outed Jason Servis.

Little guys cheat, too, not just 45% trainers breaking the bank in Dubai. Just connect the dots and correlate the disproportionately high number of bad tests incurred by otherwise obscure outfits amidst improbable hot-streaks.

[jay68802]

The funny thing about this. To me, the drugs they were using look to be pretty cheap. Sort of like the Mexico weed in high school. But, when we had horses, my trainer would charge a extra $45, and I would, as he says, "crawl up his as#". We still sit and have beers together. We all know there is more cheaters out there.

[Johnny V]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Maxterisk

always thought "Panama Lewis" would be an interesting name for a horse.

He could be trained/ridden by Luis Resto.

[MJC922]

Originally Posted by foregoforever

At the news conference announcing the indictments, the FBI guy was asked how it all got started. He said that it started "on a different case on a different topic altogether, and one thing led to another ..."

He gave no other details. I haven't found any hints in other news reports. But his use of the word "altogether" makes it sound like they weren't looking at horse racing at all, originally.

I'm sure the feds will follow through on this, and it may well lead to more interesting findings and indictments. But I'm not so sure that this signals a sudden interest in the sport by the FBI.

Wouldn't surprise me for a moment if there's some mob involvement when they dig deep enough. Whether that ever comes to light or not is something else. I strongly suspect racing officials at some tracks know a LOT and haven't done a single thing about it for many years because of 'reasons'.