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08-29-2023, 07:43 PM
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No, I don't think you are well.
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Thank you Dr. Pangloss...
But to quote Voltaire “If you want to converse with me, first define your terms”
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08-29-2023, 08:55 PM
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Why are you evading the question?
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Another one.... Are you ok too?
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08-29-2023, 08:57 PM
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IMO...the best way to identify "underrated" horses is to look beyond their last two races when you are assessing their racing ability. Sometimes the last two races just throw you off...  |
Thanks mate cheers
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08-29-2023, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ^^Salih15^^
Another one.... Are you ok too?
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Bye
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08-29-2023, 09:49 PM
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this thread is like a seinfeld episode...a thread about nothing...
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 08-29-2023 at 09:57 PM.
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08-30-2023, 11:25 PM
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this thread is like a seinfeld episode...a thread about nothing...
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I REAPET
How to identify Well Handicapped / Underrated Horses?
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards.
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08-30-2023, 11:42 PM
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Are you talking about racing in the UK?
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08-31-2023, 04:09 AM
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The only folks who know class shifts are humans...Horses don't have an inkling as to whether they run for 8K or 12.5K
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08-31-2023, 10:24 AM
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The only folks who know class shifts are humans...Horses don't have an inkling as to whether they run for 8K or 12.5K
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Except that the horses they face will generally be different.
The average pace at a higher class will be faster.
The moves required to get, maintain, or improve position will tend to be faster and more taxing.
Rivals won't quit as quickly during a battle. They'll sustain it longer.
Rivals may beat you to a move or hole because they can accelerate faster.
There are plenty of measurable and subtle things going on at higher classes that will impact performance.
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08-31-2023, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Except that the horses they face will generally be different.
The average pace at a higher class will be faster.
The moves required to get, maintain, or improve position will tend to be faster and more taxing.
Rivals won't quit as quickly during a battle. They'll sustain it longer.
Rivals may beat you to a move or hole because they can accelerate faster.
There are plenty of measurable and subtle things going on at higher classes that will impact performance.
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Consciousness vs. instinct, class.
Rationality vs. non-rationality.
For Salih, as a blanket statement, for a favorite who isn't odds on, the second through fourth odds ranked horses will win roughly half the races. Look for a stalker/closer vs. habitual front runners, or vice versa, especially for those in the bottom 15-20% win group.
Cheerio.
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08-31-2023, 12:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ^^Salih15^^
I REAPET
How to identify Well Handicapped / Underrated Horses?
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards.
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There's something deeply wrong with you.
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09-02-2023, 05:54 AM
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UNDERRATED HORSES (Well Handicapped)
Methods for identifying underrated horses can be very diverse. Due to many factors, not every underrated horse wins the race. But every race is won by underrated horses. The trick is to correctly identify the underrated horses.
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09-02-2023, 10:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ^^Salih15^^
UNDERRATED HORSES (Well Handicapped)
Methods for identifying underrated horses can be very diverse. Due to many factors, not every underrated horse wins the race. But every race is won by underrated horses. The trick is to correctly identify the underrated horses.
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It's usually called value betting
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09-03-2023, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by zerosky
It's usually called value betting
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how to identify it?
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09-03-2023, 03:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ^^Salih15^^
UNDERRATED HORSES (Well Handicapped)
Methods for identifying underrated horses can be very diverse. Due to many factors, not every underrated horse wins the race. But every race is won by underrated horses. The trick is to correctly identify the underrated horses.
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