Conservatives are frauds

[reckless]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

... I don't disagree with you at all. However, many of the people take Clinton and others to task because his actions offend their moral/religious sensibilities. ...

Many people believe that Clinton's chronic history of rape, repeated sexual abuse and serial deviancy and vulgarity go way, way beyond the pale of a person's moral sensibilities.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by reckless

Many people believe that Clinton's chronic history of rape, repeated sexual abuse and serial deviancy and vulgarity go way, way beyond the pale of a person's moral sensibilities.

Clinton no doubt has vulgar tendencies, but as far as I can tell, he's never been charged with any of the crimes you suggest let alone convicted of them. Do I believe he has stepped beyond the gray area? Sure. Do I know it for a fact? No. Playing doctor with a 21 year old intern is neither deviant nor abusive. It's simply a moral failing that concerns his wife most of all, and me the least. Understanding economic and foreign policy and making good decisions in those realms have nothing to do with his sex habits. However, I wouldn't ask him to arrive at my house with my wife there before I could get home first either.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I'm a fiscal conservative and socially in the middle of the road. I can't think of any social issue that is more important to me than fiscal ones when I step into the voting booth. That doesn't mean I'll support a real scumbag, but I vote my pocketbook most times. I believe in tolerance of other viewpoints, even if I do not agree with the viewpoint. Some on here would do well to take that stance. I have my opinion on abortion, affirmative action, social safety nets, etc, but you would not be an evil person to take the opposing view to me. Wrong certainly, but not evil.

Agreed.

I'm a fiscal free-market conservative with pretty libertarian leanings. I just can't support the current libertarian platform on foreign policy... that's where I differ from those folks.

As far as personal stuff... I reserve every right to judge a person but overall it seldom affects my vote as much as my political leanings.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Clinton no doubt has vulgar tendencies, but as far as I can tell, he's never been charged with any of the crimes you suggest let alone convicted of them. Do I believe he has stepped beyond the gray area? Sure. Do I know it for a fact? No. Playing doctor with a 21 year old intern is neither deviant nor abusive. It's simply a moral failing that concerns his wife most of all, and me the least. Understanding economic and foreign policy and making good decisions in those realms have nothing to do with his sex habits. However, I wouldn't ask him to arrive at my house with my wife there before I could get home first either.

Best post in awhile!



That would apply to Trump as well though for me.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Best post in awhile!



That would apply to Trump as well though for me.

Heck, even 90 year old Bush Sr likes playing grab-ass. I think it is in the blood of most powerful people. They don't think about appropriate boundaries.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Then you must have reservations about everyone you meet, because everyone lies, and most are motivated by self-interest. I go by the Reagan axiom, "trust, but verify".

No, I assume the best of people until they prove otherwise. I'm not a fanatic about it, but if it is blatant, as with Clinton and Trump, it is indicative of major character flaws.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by tucker6

1--Clinton no doubt has vulgar tendencies, but as far as I can tell, he's never been charged with any of the crimes you suggest let alone convicted of them.

2--Do I believe he has stepped beyond the gray area? Sure. Do I know it for a fact? No. Playing doctor with a 21 year old intern is neither deviant nor abusive. It's simply a moral failing that concerns his wife most of all, and me the least.

3--Understanding economic and foreign policy and making good decisions in those realms have nothing to do with his sex habits. However, I wouldn't ask him to arrive at my house with my wife there before I could get home first either.

1--Did you follow the campaign of 2015-16 and the first 15+ months of Trump's presidency?? I seriously doubt it because if you did, you would have learned of the many women who accused Bill Clinton of rape and other 'vulgar tendencies'.

You would have also learned that Bill Clinton was impeached --he was convicted of crimes. He was impeached and disbarred. How did you miss that?

You would have also learned that the FBI, CIA, DoJ, and many members of Congress are corrupt and derelict of their oath to their office. Their crimes and unlawful conduct just might 'explain' why Clinton, Hillary and others are not in jail or 'convicted' by now.

2--Gray area? Gimme a break. Playing doctor? You're joking. It was way beyond playing doctor... you really think Clinton sticking a cigar up Monica Lewinsky's private area is 'playing'???

Just because Bill Clinton has an stupid, immoral, corrupt douce bag for a wife, Hillary, you should not give him a pass for his abusive sexual behavior by stating it's just between him and his wife. Hillary is an enabler and a co-conspirator to all of Bill's rapes and treason.

3--Bill Clinton committed treason when he sold military technology to the Chinese for campaign money. He signed and claims credit for NAFTA and GATT, the worse trade deals in the history of this country. It destroyed the blue collar manufacturing industry for decades and it's just now coming back thanks to Trump.

I know, the free trade idiots on this site think those deals were great but tell that to the hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers who lost the jobs or saw their incomes slashed over the years. Or the trillions of dollars sent overseas -- your wealth and mine-- thanks to Bill Clinton (with GOP help).

Bill Clinton did not understand economic or foreign policy as you suggest. He escaped removal because people said it's his job performance that matters, such as you just did, not being a rapist. The lunatics and assorted Trump bashers want to hang Trump on so-called 'moral' concerns. Trump never raped anyone, much less many women, as Clinton did.

I really don't care what the Trump haters think of him, they've proven to be clueless dolts and idiots. But they do have a double standard, which is expected.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Clocker

No, I assume the best of people until they prove otherwise. I'm not a fanatic about it, but if it is blatant, as with Clinton and Trump, it is indicative of major character flaws.

As I get older, I've become less moralistic and less absolute. One can think the best of people while at the same time recognizing that those same people are flawed in some way. I assume that 95% of all decisions made are from a self interest calculation so that I only have to figure out the 5%. Works pretty well.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by reckless

1--Did you follow the campaign of 2015-16 and the first 15+ months of Trump's presidency?? I seriously doubt it because if you did, you would have learned of the many women who accused Bill Clinton of rape and other 'vulgar tendencies'.

You would have also learned that Bill Clinton was impeached --he was convicted of crimes. He was impeached and disbarred. How did you miss that?

You would have also learned that the FBI, CIA, DoJ, and many members of Congress are corrupt and derelict of their oath to their office. Their crimes and unlawful conduct just might 'explain' why Clinton, Hillary and others are not in jail or 'convicted' by now.

2--Gray area? Gimme a break. Playing doctor? You're joking. It was way beyond playing doctor... you really think Clinton sticking a cigar up Monica Lewinsky's private area is 'playing'???

Just because Bill Clinton has an stupid, immoral, corrupt douce bag for a wife, Hillary, you should not give him a pass for his abusive sexual behavior by stating it's just between him and his wife. Hillary is an enabler and a co-conspirator to all of Bill's rapes and treason.

3--Bill Clinton committed treason when he sold military technology to the Chinese for campaign money. He signed and claims credit for NAFTA and GATT, the worse trade deals in the history of this country. It destroyed the blue collar manufacturing industry for decades and it's just now coming back thanks to Trump.

I know, the free trade idiots on this site think those deals were great but tell that to the hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers who lost the jobs or saw their incomes slashed over the years. Or the trillions of dollars sent overseas -- your wealth and mine-- thanks to Bill Clinton (with GOP help).

Bill Clinton did not understand economic or foreign policy as you suggest. He escaped removal because people said it's his job performance that matters, such as you just did, not being a rapist. The lunatics and assorted Trump bashers want to hang Trump on so-called 'moral' concerns. Trump never raped anyone, much less many women, as Clinton did.

I really don't care what the Trump haters think of him, they've proven to be clueless dolts and idiots. But they do have a double standard, which is expected.

Nothing you stated in 1 changes the fact that Bill Clinton has never been threatened with arrest for rape let alone convicted of it. I know he isn't a "good guy", but let's try to stick to the facts. I know of several men accused of bad acts that were found completely innocent, yet their character was destroyed forever. I am positive that where there is smoke there are Clinton fires, but I'm not about to accuse him of things I'm not qualified to judge at this time.

As for 2, what he and Monica did would qualify as playing doctor. They are two consenting adults. Not my problem. Do I agree with it? Hell no, but again, it isn't my problem.

As for 3, I have no doubt that Clinton has sold himself to the highest bidder since he left office, and I DO have an issue with that. I am not one of those "free trade idiots". I know Clinton, Bush, and Obama sold us down the river. As for impeachment, that was for lying under oath about having sex in the Oval Office. What he did was a crime (lying), but to me doesn't rise to the level of impeachment.

What I want in a president is a leader that can best preserve our way of life and keep us strong and vibrant. If I can get a president who can do that and is also moral, then fantastic. However, I'd rather have a cheating scoundrel of a leader who can accomplish those things than an ineffectual leader like Carter who was a great guy. That's why I discount the private issues of both Trump and Clinton. Obama tried to tear us apart, so he can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Nothing you stated in 1 changes the fact that Bill Clinton has never been threatened with arrest for rape let alone convicted of it. I know he isn't a "good guy", but let's try to stick to the facts. I know of several men accused of bad acts that were found completely innocent, yet their character was destroyed forever. I am positive that where there is smoke there are Clinton fires, but I'm not about to accuse him of things I'm not qualified to judge at this time.

As for 2, what he and Monica did would qualify as playing doctor. They are two consenting adults. Not my problem. Do I agree with it? Hell no, but again, it isn't my problem.

As for 3, I have no doubt that Clinton has sold himself to the highest bidder since he left office, and I DO have an issue with that. I am not one of those "free trade idiots". I know Clinton, Bush, and Obama sold us down the river. As for impeachment, that was for lying under oath about having sex in the Oval Office. What he did was a crime (lying), but to me doesn't rise to the level of impeachment.

What I want in a president is a leader that can best preserve our way of life and keep us strong and vibrant. If I can get a president who can do that and is also moral, then fantastic. However, I'd rather have a cheating scoundrel of a leader who can accomplish those things than an ineffectual leader like Carter who was a great guy. That's why I discount the private issues of both Trump and Clinton. Obama tried to tear us apart, so he can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

It's already been proven that the DoJ, the FBI and our very own Congress was corrupt in not litigating the treason and crimes of Bill Clinton, then Obama and Hillary. DoJ and the FBI covered up crimes; they committed crimes, and still we have people giving Clinton a pass because he was never convicted of anything??

The way the laws are written, by liberals and Democrats, what Bill and Monica did is NOT consensual. Plus she was an intern for god's sake. Plus he stuck a cigar up her ... you know what.

Bill Clinton tried to 'fix' a court case; he lied under oath and soborned perjury. All impeachable crimes. Can't believe people still buy the 'lying about sex' foolishness.

Did you recall he spoke with the Obama atty general about the FBI letting Hillary off the hook with her crimes? You know, the meeting on the tarmack. About the home brew server, the 30,000 emails and Uranium One crimes? Well that was a crime, too, by the Obama atty general who also committed a crime. And let's add the corrupt FBI that let all those committed crimes without investigation. Don't try to convince people that because these crumb bums are not in jail, that there was nothing wrong done.

The treason Bill committed when he sold military and technological secrets to a foreign Communist government happened when he was already president ... not after he left office.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by reckless

The treason Bill committed when he sold military and technological secrets to a foreign Communist government happened when he was already president ... not after he left office.

Funny how the enemies within (the Left) is always eager and willing to enable and empower our enemies without.

[horses4courses]

[hcap]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/fre...trump-edition/

....Thirty Years War is brewing in The House as Donald Trump — a pervy, foul-mouthed casino mogul who has five kids by three different women and screws porn stars on the side — continues to enjoy unprecedented support among devout Evangelical Christians. There have been a few theories offered to explain this apparent disconnect. In The Financial Times [paywall], Gillian Tett writes that some observers “point to the ‘prodigal son’ phenomenon. Yes, evangelicals know that Trump is ungodly, goes this argument, but we are all sinners — and Trump may yet repent.” Another theory, says Tett, is that “evangelicals are courting Trump because they fear they are losing political clout. Issues such as gay marriage have put them on the back foot, and the proportion of the population who call themselves evangelical plunged to 17 per cent in 2017, down from 23 per cent a decade ago.”

So they’re sticking with him in the hope that Trump will Make Conservative Christianity Great Again.

[davew]

Sometimes, you have to go with the lesser of 2 evils. That is why Trump WON, and hopefully his judges will counteract the 'new constitution interpretation liberal' judges in place.

So for the dimse, Trump may not have been their first choice, but he was their best choice.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/fre...trump-edition/

....Thirty Years War is brewing in The House as Donald Trump — a pervy, foul-mouthed casino mogul who has five kids by three different women and screws porn stars on the side — continues to enjoy unprecedented support among devout Evangelical Christians. There have been a few theories offered to explain this apparent disconnect. In The Financial Times [paywall], Gillian Tett writes that some observers “point to the ‘prodigal son’ phenomenon. Yes, evangelicals know that Trump is ungodly, goes this argument, but we are all sinners — and Trump may yet repent.” Another theory, says Tett, is that “evangelicals are courting Trump because they fear they are losing political clout. Issues such as gay marriage have put them on the back foot, and the proportion of the population who call themselves evangelical plunged to 17 per cent in 2017, down from 23 per cent a decade ago.”

So they’re sticking with him in the hope that Trump will Make Conservative Christianity Great Again.

Since when do you and your ilk give a flying **** what Evangelicals or Conservative Christians think anyway?