Trump the Infomewrcial Con

[hcap]

Originally Posted by davew

What courts have cleared Hillary? What trials or cases are you talking about. The court of dim opinion?

If I said the FBI, there would be no end to the tin foil conspiracy replies. So I said courts

I agree that any salesman who is trying to sell me crap I do not want is a con man. But that is kind of sexist isn't it? maybe we should call them con person.

Ok, but the Turnip is the only con person selling the junk products

0bama was the most successful con person in recent history, but his company is going broke. The DNC is not be very successful conning cash from people anymore...

The blue wave is gonna bring the Dems back into power. Obama served as president for 8 years. Already in the brief period of the Trump reign he has out-scandaled every president except Nixon

Who do I sue for fraud and false advertising for my increased health insurance costs?

Youse guys did Obama sucks for over 8 years.

It's time for Trump sucks 100x's more.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Well said.

It's gotta be Lincoln. Symbolically, he was considered the nations first black president for his efforts to free the slaves. So it stands to reason that Obama replace him. After all, black-faced white actors were replaced by blacks at one time, so why not Lincoln?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I don't doubt the truth of your statements, but if two guys on the internet know that, do we really believe the administration doesn't know that? That's the part that always leaves me shaking my head. A guy like Mike Pompeo is one of the smartest guys on the planet who surrounds himself with very intelligent people. I'm comforted by the fact that he probably has ten scenarios playing out for each concern we have.

It all depends.

I'm pretty much in a hope for the best but fully ready to expect the worst.

Do I honestly think there is a chance we get the NK denuclearize? Hell no.

It likely goes one of two ways. The talks and deal fall apart as parties stay committed to their agenda's and the status quo remains. I would actually be okay with this.

What I am more concerned with though is the administration doing the more politically expedient thing and passing something for the sake of having a "deal" smacking the #winning stamp on it and moving on. In that scenario we take the carrots, ignore the stick, sell out our allies, and the administration earns political points at home.

We get a deal for the sake of a deal. Similar to Iran. It won't be bad... but it won't be good either... and a comparison of the two would have to wait until the all of the terms are disclosed.

I can tell you one thing though... a guy like Pompeo leading this charge IS NOT who I'd want at State.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

It all depends.

I'm pretty much in a hope for the best but fully ready to expect the worst.

Do I honestly think there is a chance we get the NK denuclearize? Hell no.

It likely goes one of two ways. The talks and deal fall apart as parties stay committed to their agenda's and the status quo remains. I would actually be okay with this.

What I am more concerned with though is the administration doing the more politically expedient thing and passing something for the sake of having a "deal" smacking the #winning stamp on it and moving on. In that scenario we take the carrots, ignore the stick, sell out our allies, and the administration earns political points at home.

We get a deal for the sake of a deal. Similar to Iran. It won't be bad... but it won't be good either... and a comparison of the two would have to wait until the all of the terms are disclosed.

In your scenario, I'd much prefer the status quo over another bad deal.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

In your scenario, I'd much prefer the status quo over another bad deal.

Deals are always relative.

The Iran Deal for instance isn't great. I wouldn't have done it. I felt it lacked enough stipulations for compliance and they could easily not honor it. They are honoring it though and despite the commonly espoused right-wing talking points on the deal it appears to be working so.... <shrug>

A North Korea deal would require more scrutiny though as they are much more belligerent in their actions. Its not an easy one to navigate and I would grade it much harsher due to their past. However, nothing has been done yet so... <shrug>

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Deals are always relative.

The Iran Deal for instance isn't great. I wouldn't have done it. I felt it lacked enough stipulations for compliance and they could easily not honor it. They are honoring it though and despite the commonly espoused right-wing talking points on the deal it appears to be working so.... <shrug>

A North Korea deal would require more scrutiny though as they are much more belligerent in their actions. Its not an easy one to navigate and I would grade it much harsher due to their past. However, nothing has been done yet so... <shrug>

I'm not sure NK is the greater danger. They are a self contained issue. Iran is another matter. They are spreading the filth around to maximize the destruction. If we didn't have the NK problem, nothing else changes much. We get rid of the Iran problem, and a whole lot changes in the M.E. and Africa.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I'm not sure NK is the greater danger. They are a self contained issue. Iran is another matter. They are spreading the filth around to maximize the destruction. If we didn't have the NK problem, nothing else changes much. We get rid of the Iran problem, and a whole lot changes in the M.E. and Africa.

I don't think North Korea is the bigger threat. Iran obviously is but there is a difference.

No doubt they hold more global clout, influence, and power. They are also a regional opponent of us as well. All that said and with all of that clout, influence, in power they can also be counted on to act rationally. North Korea can't. That's the major difference.

If any of us were in charge of Iran for the past 15 years or so we would have acted almost exactly the same as they have.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

If any of us were in charge of Iran for the past 15 years or so we would have acted almost exactly the same as they have.

I would have planted more flowers around Tehran. Brighten the place up a little bit.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I would have planted more flowers around Tehran. Brighten the place up a little bit.

I hear Tehran is a beautiful place to visit... its just the leaving that can be tricky.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by hcap

......Now when we are burdened with the worst prexnit in American history you gents are still conned continuously by him. and give him a pass no matter what he does

I'm glad your smiling. Remember Nero?.....
The popular legend that Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned

Me, conned by trump? Are you senile? I've bagged on trump enough around here. The fact is, he isn't Hilary Clinton. That's a good enough reason to (a) breathe a huge sigh of relief and (b) Dance on the grave of your wet dream of the hundred year reign of democrat rule.... Or whatever it was you were babbling about before trump beat Clinton.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by hcap

If I said the FBI, there would be no end to the tin foil conspiracy replies. So I said courts

Ok, but the Turnip is the only con person selling the junk products
The blue wave is gonna bring the Dems back into power. Obama served as president for 8 years. Already in the brief period of the Trump reign he has out-scandaled every president except Nixon

Youse guys did Obama sucks for over 8 years.

It's time for Trump sucks 100x's more.

Obama still sucks...

Trumps scandals are for the most part media made with deep state assistance. So far lots of flashes to blind the butt hurt but no bang... Trump will be ranked much higher then Obama when it all shakes out in years to come.

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

If I said the FBI, there would be no end to the tin foil conspiracy replies. So I said courts

Ok, but the Turnip is the only con person selling the junk products
The blue wave is gonna bring the Dems back into power. Obama served as president for 8 years. Already in the brief period of the Trump reign he has out-scandaled every president except Nixon

Youse guys did Obama sucks for over 8 years.

It's time for Trump sucks 100x's more.

Nice answers to questions

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Tom

Earth to hcap, warming as it is:

It was HILLARY, stupid!

Putin would have gotten my vote over Hillary.

If you can put the liberals favorite dad in jail for the rest of his life then you can put the liberals favorite choice for President as well. Look for a slew of indictments that get bound over for trail in 2018.

[Tom]

Youse guys did Obama sucks for over 8 years.

That's all we had to work with.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

My 401K was more stagnant than HCAP's Senior year in High School Prom date prospects.

Then Trump.

38%, after 8 years of middling stuff that the Cleveland Browns thought was awful.

Have a good day HCAP. I'm sure you are angry for whatever reason.