Republicans Can't Pass Immigration Reform

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The problem there was that Reagan trusted the Democrats when they agreed to a comprehensive program of amnesty, employer sanctions, and border enforcement. They got the amnesty, but the other two parts of the law were gutted or under-funded.

I see no reason for amnesty for those in the country illegally. Have an open registration period. Anyone guilty of past crimes is deported. Any illegals that have been living and working here in good faith get residency and work permits, but no path to citizenship unless they apply through the same process as any other non-citizen. After that period, shut it down and start deporting anyone coming in after that.

How can anyone argue with this logic? I mean it just makes too much sense,

Is there any other country in the world so torn up about illegal immigration?

[Tom]

We are patheic.

[TJDave]

There's a simple way to deal with illegal aliens.

Don't hire them.

[Tom]

Businesses found hiring illegals should forfeit their assets.
Just like a drug seller loses his car.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Tom

Businesses found hiring illegals should forfeit their assets.
Just like a drug seller loses his car.

Next time you're in your favorite restaurant ask the owner/manager if they hire illegals. Watch their eyes get big.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by TJDave

There's a simple way to deal with illegal aliens.

Don't hire them.

That was a major nail in the coffin of the Reagan amnesty program. It all sounds good, but politicians on both sides of the aisle don't have the fortitude to stick to their guns. The same reason we can't get rid of earmarks and other pork.

Why were the employer restrictions so ineffective? During the debate in Congress, the bill's sponsors ended up watering down the sanctions on employers to attract support from the business community, explains Wayne Cornelius of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at U.C. San Diego. "The end result was that they essentially gutted the employer sanctions," he says.

Under the final law, all employers had to do to avoid sanctions was to make sure their workers had paperwork that "reasonably appears on its face to be genuine." If the documents were decent fakes, that wasn't the boss's problem. In fact, employers were actually penalized if they scrutinized a worker's nationality too aggressively.

What's more, industries such as agriculture, construction and landscaping often skirted the paperwork rules by relying on contractors and subcontractors. That made it easier for companies to maintain plausible deniability. In California, up to 80 percent of seasonal harvesting is done through contractors — and unauthorized immigrants are thought to make up a massive portion of the workforce.

This would be a big part of the enforcement problem today, as if Obama cared a hoot about enforcement. I'm sure phony I.D. is a big market for illegals today.

Washington Post

[JustRalph]

Clocker and Tom are right. The only thing I would add to clockers idea is that those who want to stay have to have two citizen sponsors

Tom has it right. Death penalty for businesses.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I'm sure phony I.D. is a big market for illegals today.

A huge market, and not all that hard to get or very expensive, from what I have been told. If ever actually made mandatory, have to wonder just how effective E-Check would be?

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by BlueShoe

A huge market, and not all that hard to get or very expensive, from what I have been told. If ever actually made mandatory, have to wonder just how effective E-Check would be?

E-Check is a ruse. No employer in industries that employ illegals is being fooled. They know who they are hiring. They are consciously breaking the law.

[JustRalph]

some carry multiple Docs in multiple names. For multiple jobs.

My wife had a guy come into the restaurant and drop off a check for one of her employees. It was from a restaurant down the street. (His 2nd job) My wife told the delivery guy she had no employee by that name. Delivery guy says "he's worked here for two years" she walks delivery guy into the kitchen to point the guy out. He walks over and shakes hands with Juan and hands him the check. Juan explains in broken English that he uses his real name when working for my wife , but his "other name" when working for the other company.

The home office tells the wife to ignore it since he passes e check for them. It's the other place that has a problem? ........

[TJDave]

Without asking for ID I can tell if a prospective employee comes from Texas or New Jersey.

Spanish works the same way.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Juan explains in broken English that he uses his real name when working for my wife , but his "other name" when working for the other company.

The home office tells the wife to ignore it since he passes e check for them. It's the other place that has a problem? ........

How does he cash his checks? Aren't banks pretty strict about ID?

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Spanish works the same way.

Spanish speaking Americans have told me that often they can tell if a person is legal or not just by observing their manner and dress. When spoken to, they can then tell what state in Mexico they came from. Even non Spanish speakers like myself can often tell the illegals from the citizens, instincts can be quite on target at times.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by TJDave

How does he cash his checks? Aren't banks pretty strict about ID?

The bodega down on the corner isn't.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by TJDave

How does he cash his checks? Aren't banks pretty strict about ID?

Check cashing stores in Spanish neighborhood. No problem for 8% of the check.