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05-08-2019, 12:14 PM
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#151
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Never in this game should you be able to push 2 to 3 horses over ten thousand paths at a crucial point in the race and get away with it free and clear.
No way. Never. Not in any race. The people who think he was robbed or didn't deserve to come down are living in a complete and utter dream world...
https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730
After watching the above video, go ahead and tell me the 18 horse wasn't completely screwed due to the actions of the "winner." I dare you. |
the thing the bothers me more is Country House and Bill Mott deserve a derby win less.
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05-08-2019, 12:49 PM
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#152
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Never in this game should you be able to push 2 to 3 horses over ten thousand paths at a crucial point in the race and get away with it free and clear.
No way. Never. Not in any race. The people who think he was robbed or didn't deserve to come down are living in a complete and utter dream world...
https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730
After watching the above video, go ahead and tell me the 18 horse wasn't completely screwed due to the actions of the "winner." I dare you. |
https://i.etsystatic.com/11547167/r/...31743_o21m.jpg
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05-08-2019, 01:34 PM
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#153
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
After watching the above video, go ahead and tell me the 18 horse wasn't completely screwed due to the actions of the "winner." I dare you.
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I agree. The  was completely screwed by the "winner".
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05-08-2019, 10:49 PM
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#154
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Originally Posted by Grits
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Still waiting to hear how Gary West gives my life meaning.
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05-10-2019, 08:22 PM
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#155
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More video at HRN with slo mo, frame by frame. Broken down with analysis and annotation of frames. .... Someone can link.
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05-10-2019, 08:38 PM
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#156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grits
More video at HRN with slo mo, frame by frame. Broken down with analysis and annotation of frames. .... Someone can link.
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https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...ockey_Saez_123
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05-10-2019, 08:46 PM
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#157
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GARY
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lest we forget
a: hopefully the attorneys for Mr.West secure the past 50-75 years
of Kentucky derby results which should include comments lodged against
the winner for bumping, taking paths, etc in some of the races.
Presuming that will be a given, the precedent has already been set
that Churchill "blinked" on such incidents that occurred last Saturday.
Various experts(Beyer, Christ), etc all agree on the contenders close
to MS entering the stretch were not going to pass MS even if MS
had not drifted into their lanes.
So, Why the disqualification and the failure to give racing fans the reason
for this atypical call on Saturday? Do you really believe the Stewards, or better yet Churchill Downs had reason to justify the DQ in this race, based upon
the history of zero Dq's in this event?
The smart move, now, would be to declare both horses winners of the Derby
and split the winner share; at least these owners can regain some income
when their horses go to the breeding barn.
Unfortunately, this owner must go to court to prove these points, that, in my opinion, is an insult to the racing community.
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05-10-2019, 09:12 PM
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#158
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Originally Posted by NY BRED
a: hopefully the attorneys for Mr.West secure the past 50-75 years
of Kentucky derby results which should include comments lodged against
the winner for bumping, taking paths, etc in some of the races.
Presuming that will be a given, the precedent has already been set
that Churchill "blinked" on such incidents that occurred last Saturday.
Various experts(Beyer, Christ), etc all agree on the contenders close
to MS entering the stretch were not going to pass MS even if MS
had not drifted into their lanes.
So, Why the disqualification and the failure to give racing fans the reason
for this atypical call on Saturday? Do you really believe the Stewards, or better yet Churchill Downs had reason to justify the DQ in this race, based upon
the history of zero Dq's in this event?
The smart move, now, would be to declare both horses winners of the Derby
and split the winner share; at least these owners can regain some income
when their horses go to the breeding barn.
Unfortunately, this owner must go to court to prove these points, that, in my opinion, is an insult to the racing community.
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I think the court has no choice but to back the Churchill Downs Stewards fast, as I said in other threads if it happened in any of the races leading up to the derby the result would be the same as the KY Derby.
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05-10-2019, 10:13 PM
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#159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niko
I had never realized how aggressive of a move Tyler Gaffalione made on War of Will trying to force his way through. Not sure if it made a difference later with Maximum Security but it sure didn't help, not to mention all the other comments.
If both jockeys put other horses in danger why don't they both get days, instead of one DQ? With millions of dollars on the line, why can't we get a detailed explanation from the stewards walking us through their entire decision (not one point in the race).
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https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ay/1165479001/
If I had the time and was a lawyer.... Food for thought
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05-10-2019, 10:14 PM
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#160
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could be why Tyler didn't claim foul...after the race I would expect everyone to be as politically correct as possible
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05-10-2019, 10:27 PM
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#161
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Originally Posted by Niko
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Just a couple of observations:
1. The Wests' lawyers had several days to fish out one video, from all the dozens that show their horse committing a flagrant and dangerous foul, that via an optical illusion makes it seem otherwise. That doesn't show me much except what I already know, which is good lawyers can make an argument of anything.
2. No matter how many times people repeat the disgusting blaming of War of Will and his jockey, it doesn't make it any less false.
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05-10-2019, 10:38 PM
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#162
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People will only see what they want to see. That part is obvious.
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05-11-2019, 12:40 AM
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#163
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Originally Posted by Niko
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A picture (or in this case a video) is worth a thousand words.
Nothing in this video caught my interest.......until 4:55.....and then 5:04.
Maximum Security was indeed struck from behind by War of Will........right after the contact MS suddenly drifts out.
This is going to get really interesting.  
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05-11-2019, 06:16 AM
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#164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
When your on the "best horse won and should never be dq'd" bandwagon there is no angle that will create a waiver in your opinion.
How did the stewards miss that and not post the inquiry sign?
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Bingo ...on same wagon ... should have never been D'Qued ... 
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05-11-2019, 08:41 AM
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#165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by taxicab
A picture (or in this case a video) is worth a thousand words.
Nothing in this video caught my interest.......until 4:55.....and then 5:04.
Maximum Security was indeed struck from behind by War of Will........right after the contact MS suddenly drifts out.
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That was just selective editing. At least this doctored video used material from 2 different angles, but nevertheless continues to push the whole silly "possible strikes from behind" theory.
The 2 "possible" strikes that War of Will supposedly inflicted on Maximum Security from behind are simply red herrings. All one has to do is switch from the pan shot to the NBC close up at a much better angle to see that no contact was made (the exact times can be matched because Maximum Security clearly switches to his wrong lead in the middle of the turn).
This video shows the first real contact between WOW and MS using the NBC footage. What they don't show is a couple of seconds before, where MS switches leads and immediately veers out. By this omission, they try to infer MS had yet to shift outwards...but he in fact had. Pretty convenient.
The whole "Tyler hasn't checked his mount until 5 strikes in" is BS, too. All you have to do is watch the his reins. When MS switches to his wrong lead Tyler G's reins are slack on WOW. As soon as MS veers out, the reins go taut because Tyler was in fact responding to MS coming in to his path.
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